Chapter 22 - Hide and Seek

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Chapter 22 - Hide and Seek

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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?

2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?
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2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?

i reckon edward would have been like-HOW THE HELL DID U LET BELLA OUT OF you are SIGHT???????????????????? he would have freaked and would b furious
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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?
No, this didn't really surprise me. You have to very strongly believe in predestination in order to believe that Alice saw the definite future and, if that were the case, she would only ever have had to have ONE vision and she would have seen all of time laid out before her.

Honestly, I've always believed that each choice we make changes the world. (The Butterfly Effect demonstrates that VERY well.) Even something so small as whether or not to eat breakfast before you leave the house could change the way your entire day goes as well as the day of three other people you hadn't even met yet. There's no real way to know.

Unless you're Alice, of course. ;)

2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?
Oh goodness... Not long, I suppose. Jasper might have felt the surprise and agitation from the people Bella rampaged past in the hall where they were and it might have made him look up in time to see her disappear. In such a crowded place, the best he could do was get Alice and the best they both could do was wait for Edward to appear.

As for how Edward took the news... I'm surprised he didn't kill someone, human or one of his vampire family. Anger, fury, rage. They all seem too weak to describe what I think Edward felt when Alice or Jasper told him that they let her escape. Fear, horror, and terror also seem too weak to explain what went through him when he realized where she had gone and what she had gone there to do.

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?
Justification is a strange thing. Because we know so little about her family, we can't really judge (or rather, I don't want to), but can a person who believes in a christian god and doesn't believe in anything that the world terms "paranormal" be expected to do much else? Not only were they living in a very restrictive time, but they probably knew nothing of the world outside their humanity.

Also, Alice's visions weren't nearly as concrete as a human. She would have seen flashes of images or random voices or things like that. Even to her it probably seemed like she was going crazy. Who's to say that she could even see enough of anything to know that she was seeing the future? While they might not have been justified for placing her in an institution, I can see why they would.

Unless I completely misunderstand the information we've been presented about Alice's human life. Then, who knows?

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?
Evil (beep)... Well, given his predilection for hunting, he probably did something of the sort as a human. Maybe he was a bounty hunter or a spy or something like that, where instincts about those he is watching would have been crucial. The latter of these theories (spy) might explain his performance artist side as well. Acting and performing for an audience are kind of imperitive for success.

Or, he's just really strange. Isn't it possible that his performance artist tendencies developed when he bacame a vampire? He is described as unremarkable, so it is likely that he was ugly as a human. Possibly, his new born attractiveness gave him this desire for performance...

Or not... I don't think I'm even close on this one. :oops:
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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?

I always used to think this was how her visions worked. Although, I'd always thought that they would be a bit more solid, but they would change occasionally. Everything you do changes your path, and the outcome of that particualr action, so it would be expected that if you changed your mind, Alice's visions would change.

2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?

I'd imagine Jasper waited for sometime, and began to get worried and frantic. Alice, becoming very worried waiting for them, would have gone and found Jasper, and searched in the bathroom for Bella. Upon not finding her, they would have impatiently waited for Edward's plane, trying to think of a plan. When Edward arrived, he would have asked where Bella was, and, when hearing the new, would have quietly narrowed his eyes into slits, and begin thinking very hard, while at the same time, trying furiously to control his rage. He would be shuddering and gritting his teeth with the effort of keeping it in. Carlisle, managing to stay calm, and think reasonable, would have said wuietly to Alice, "didn't she leave anything?". Alice would suddenly remember the letter, and pull it out. When it had been read, Edward's rage would soon turn to shock, realization, fury, guilt, fear, and then finally rage again. It took Emmett, Esme, and Jasper to barely hold him down. They would then start the chase.

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?

Perhaps Alice's human family was unable to care for her, or perhaps her family abandoned her. Like Seraphyn said, if she was seeing visions of the future, and not sure what exactly she was, she would have told somebody. And people, hearing this little child saying she dreamt about the future, would immediatley assume she was mentally instable, or something similar. I do not think they were completely justified because of their time period though. It's no reason to leave your child in a mental institution. I still believe they could have kept her with them. I don't really believe that I'm the one to judge them, really, because we never really knew about them, what they were like, what they were going through.

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?

Maybe he was just pure cruel, and enjoyed seeing his victim's pain on all sides. Maybe he wanted to enjoy the killing experience. Maybe he was trying to prove something, exactly what, I'm not sure (Maybe that he could, in fact, do things completely?). Maybe he was a perfectionist in life. Maybe he was just a flashy, show-offy, performance, attention-getter type of guy. Maybe he liked to go all out on things.
Maybe he was just a bit odd.
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Re: Chapter 22 - Hide and Seek

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Alphie wrote:4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?



This is a good question, James is utterly diabolical. Stephenie says that James wasn't very good-looking as a human, and I think that this might be the cause of his obsession with power.

He was probably a nerd, or someone who was looked down upon as a human, and grew to hate everybody, I think the only person he ever loved was Victoria.
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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?
I really didn't know to much about Alice's powers so when I learned that her visions alter according to the persons decision there was not real big surprise or reaction.and to the second question I think it shows how powerful our decisions in the present can and will change the future even if they are small decisions.

2.How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?
I think that as Bella thought about using the washroom to escape, alice would have a vision. but by the time the vision was over bella was already in the taxi or on the shuttle bus. i'm sure that alice and jasper tried to break the news carefully but Edward got a bit impatient and snapped at them a bit, he could no doubt sense something was wrong. we they told him or he read their mind, he is absolutely furious and goes around sniffing like a mad man. them alice goes to steal a car and on goes the story

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?
For Alice's family it could mean that they did not want to care for her or they felt that this was what's best for her. If her family was snobbish then they couldn't have been ashamed if a daughter that was crazy. I think that what they did was relevant for their time.

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?
It shows that James is a person that will se everything throught[i.e. a very determind tracker; always gets his pray]. and does it with a flare[i.e. the mirrored room]. he's probably a person that likes attention and wants things his way.
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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?

I thought that's about how they worked since a person's mind can change in an instant which effects the future so it would be impossible

2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?

I don't think it took them too long, but enough for Bella's escape. I was surprised that they didn't catch up with her before since they are so fast. I would be extremely scared of Edward when he found out.

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?

Something was wrong with her parents that she was tramatized or she was born with a mental problem and they couldn't handle it. No I don't think they were justified unless they were dead unless it was a last resort. They could at least come visit her or something, but all she remembers is darkness.

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?

I think he was sadistic human who loved people's pain. He was probably one of those murderers who nobody could figure out how he accomplished the dirty task.
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1. I had never really given much thought to how Alice's visions worked, so this was pretty cool information to me. It says a lot about the power of our own choices, everything we say and do affects some one in some way.

2. It couldn't have taken them long, Alice just might have seen it, and Jasper's not stupid, he could have easily figured it out.

3. I really don't think Alice's family cared for her a whole lot, they put her in a mental institution for goodness sakes! I guess given the time-period, it was just easier to do so rather than deal with her, but that doesn't make it right. It's not justified at all.

4. He was probably just as sadistic as a human as he was when he was a vampire. He might have been a crimingal mastermind.
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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?

This didn't surprise me persay, but it certainly intrigued me. Edward had already told Bella that Alice's visions were subject to change, and this seemed reasonable to me because her visions are prompted by catalysts that may often contradict each other.

Regarding the power of our own choices, I think it is very much like Alice's visions of people. Many times, people don't bother to consider the future. They are only concerned with what is happening to them in the here and now. This mirrors Alice's sight of the course they are currently on. Our choices have very powerful affects. For example, a business man is reading the paper in San Francisco. A wind comes up and blows the paper into the currently unoccupied section of street. The man then has the choice to sacrifice the paper or run after it and take the risk of being hit by the black SUV that hadn't been in his line of vision. If he had chosen the latter option, one can only imagine the financial and emotional tolls that would have been set on his family.

2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?

I honestly don't think it took that long to piece together all the puzzle pieces. To more effectively explain my answer, I'm going to recreate the scenario: Jasper is waiting for Bella outside the ladies-room. He waits a respectable amount of time, then starts to worry. He waits a little longer, then gives up and enters the bathroom. Upon noticing its other exit, he rushes back to tell Alice, who is just greeting Edward, Emmett, and Carlisle. He relays the information, and Alice puts two and two together and gives Edward Bella's letter. He doesn't listen to it, of course.

That's where my scenario ends. I don't think Edward would have raged or ranted, or screamed. He would have gone very quiet, then gotten angry after reading Bella's letter, but not angry enough to yell.

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?

Alice's human family would most likely have been caught up in the times they lived in, and didn't want to be the source of gossip and ostracization (is that even a word?) because of their "insane" daughter. It is never justifiable to condemn your own child to an insane assylum, however, and I don't think their time period was any excuse.

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?

When he was a human, James probably liked spectacles. He might have been involved with the theater, or a circus. Most likely somewhere where he could show off his talent at creating very "artistic" scenarios for certain things.
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1. We learn that Alice's visions change depending on the decisions of the person she is trying to observe. Did this surprise you at all or was this how you always thought her visions worked? And what does this say about the power of our own choices?

Ahhh, little Alice. This was slightly a surprise to me, in a way. Bella already knew that Alice saw her as a vampire in one of her future visions, so this realization automatically tells us that Bella, obviously, had made up her mind to become a vampire. However, if you look back on how long Edward has resented Alice, it's obvious that Bella's mind has been made up for quite a while that she was, at all costs, going to become a vampire. And about the power of our own choices? It tells us that fate is only something that is extremely vague, and that the present is the only thing that can determine the future.

2. How long to you think it took ALice and Jasper to figure out where Bella had gone? And how do you imagine Edward took the news?

I doubt it took them very long. Jasper, of course, must have waited a considerable amount of time. When she didn't come out, he must have rushed to Alice and the rest of the Cullens and relayed the news that she was not coming out. Alice, I'm sure, must have gone to check on her, and upon seeing that she had dissappeared, returned to Edward. I don't think Edward would have been outraged. I'm sure he would have been shocked with fear and despair, but he was not angry. It was Bella's decision, and there was nothing that Alice or Jasper could have done to prevent it. Her mind had already been made up.

3. We learned that Alice was once a resident in a mental institution. What does this say about Alice's human family? Do you think they were justified because of the times they lived in?

I think her family was probably worried about their daughter's "gift," and so they obviously thought her to be insane. They didn't want a child that caused them more trouble than absolutely necessary. They saw the solution of getting rid of her in a mental insitution to prevent becoming, as carmelapple said, the source of gossip.

4. James is somewhat of a performance artisit, using the mirrors to create a very effective death for Bella. What does this say about his charater or his life when he was a human?

Ah. This tells us that he is a dramatic creature. He lives to feel the rush of success pulsing through his body. As a human, I'm not sure whether or not he would be considered a murderer or criminal mastermind. Maybe just a sarcastic human being, who loved pulling off flashy pranks.
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