Jacob Black

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Post by BelleBleu26 »

I think you bring out an interesting piont:holding.out.for.jacob. Jacob isnt being petty at all. Many acuse him of acting childish/immature. While he is younger I think his actions are quite human, actually. I'm in my mid twenties and I would have reacted the same way, if I thought my friend was going to marry a psycho/freak. Now I am not implying in any way that Edward is a freak or a psycho (I am extremely fond of him, actually) but this is the way that Jacob sees him. He believes Edward is dangerous.
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Nice posts, girls ! :D

I agree with most of you guys said. I'm not a fan of Jake and you guys probably knows.

I do not petty him in any way. I guess he tried his best. Actually, I even admire this in him. Because worst than being refused is just not even tried. If Jake hadn't make an effort, the answer would be always " No ". And there are so many people who leaves in this way, too scared too take risks. He tried and accept the consequences. How can I ever petty such a brave person ?

I really hope this experience, which is quite painfull, will make his caracter more mature. I want to see him back in Breaking Dawn. I want him to find happiness. He definetly deserves.

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for people who have read the third book. iv'e alkways wondered where jacob goes when he runs away, when he finds out that bella and edward are getting married.
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob »

yeah, bellebleu, that was exactly what i was trying to say. that plus loosing the person you love so much? i think it was the noble thing for him to say, as noble as he could have been. i also think it's the saddest and one of the most real quotes in the entire book. By the way, although this is off topic sort of - where'd you get the icon and banner??? i LOVE them!
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Post by unquenchable_thirst34 »

This is mostly a response to the points raised by ethereal_eternity, just because everyone else is responding to them.

Petty might have been too strong a word for Jacob's comments. What I was thinking when I wrote my responses was that when he was talking about Bella and Edward's relationship, he could have been more tactful. He doesn't have to be noble, he could have just expressed his understanding of why Bella didn't choose him in more directly, as I mentioned before, instead of using the metaphor.

As for the "if Jacob was a true friend, he would accept their relationship" argument, I disagree with what you're saying. While it's true, if your friend was going out with a notorious serial killer, you would try to stop them. But this isn't the case with Bella. She isn't going out with a serial killer, she's going out with someone she loves, and someone who loves her back. In fact, Edward is the furthest thing from a serial killer for Bella, because, while he has killed in the past, I think he's proven time and time again that he will never let anything hurt her. He may be dangerous because he is a vampire, but Jacob can't fairly use that argument because he himself is a werewolf. And Emily is living proof that accidents do happen around werewolves.

Now you may bring up the point that if Edward wasn't there, Jacob wouldn't be a werewolf. But if you think back to Twilight, the only reason that Bella became closer to Jacob was so that she could find out more about the Cullens, so without Edward, Jake and Bella might never have become friends.

It's also true that Edward and Bella themselves use the drug metaphor, however they use it in a different context than Jacob did. When they use it, it is to describe the immesity of their feelings for each other, but when Jake used it, it was to show disapproval and unhealthiness.

In short, Jacob doesn't have to accept Bella and Edward's relationship. He just has to accept that Bella has made her choice, and if he wants to continue being friends with her, it's a two for one deal, and he'll have to accept Edward also. He doesn't have to do it graciously, he just has to do it.
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob »

he uses it in the exact same context. and he says it to show his acceptance. i really do believe that. he just adds to it by saying what could have been between them. and tactful would have been terrible in this situation. if it were in the middle of the book, i would, in all fairness, agree. but it's not. it's at the end. he doesnt have to be tactful. there's not tact in these circumstances. and it's more tactful to be thoughtful and accepting-which he was- than to throw a fit.

however, i dont think that the serial killer metaphor is necessarily fair - it's a little strong. but in real life, how often does it work out that relationships with a friend get ruined because of their other relationship that people can be tactful and rational? look at heidi and lauren and spencer.

i'm a little touchy on this particular subject. it's kind of personal. of course everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. i'm just stating mine. and of course defending the love of my life :roll:
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TanyaMac wrote:This is kind of a debate right? Let me ask a question. Has anyone here ever been crossed in love? I guess you have to have been in a similar situation to know what Jacob is thinking. He was running because he needed time to figure out what his life was going to take him. He put his all into trying to win Bella but it was all to no avail. He can look back in a year or two and see that he did his best effort. When he was telling Bella that there wont be anyone else, well he could have truly believed that then, but in a bit we will see how the perfect gal will waltz into his life and show him the true meaning of love. But that is just my opinion.
I see what you mean... but it may seem that way only since we couldnt see this same frustraion with the other werewolves.. they got it ind of easy(excluding sam) since the one the imprinted on loved them back.. Jacob seems immature and such for his actions.. but its all he has.

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edwardxisxlove wrote:for people who have read the third book. iv'e alkways wondered where jacob goes when he runs away, when he finds out that bella and edward are getting married.

That part hurt me, and hit very close to home at that time i read it. Perhaps i have a tainted view of Jacob Blacks "ending" in general. Not to get to personal but at the point when i read that book i was getting out of bad relationship.

i think Jacob finally realized Bella would never love him, and in some ways he ran out of love for her in a physical manner. He continued giving and getting nothing in return, he essentially wore himself out. As far as him "running" obviously he was "running away from what was going on." I think he desperately wanted to run away from the ridiculous boy he felt he'd been. Jacob wanted to run away from being the person who loved someone that they could never have or that would never love him back. I think in many ways Jacob perferred living in a dream world that Bella did love him and would eventually pick him, however, for anyone who's been in his position knows you can't lie to yourself forever and sometimes as painful as waking up from your own dream world can be you have to do it. I think all the time he spent trying to make Bella see that she did love him too was counterproductive and in the end he was losing himself. So, which was more important to him loving Bella or not losing his true self? I feel like that question was symbollically asked.
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TanyaMac wrote:This is kind of a debate right? Let me ask a question. Has anyone here ever been crossed in love? I guess you have to have been in a similar situation to know what Jacob is thinking. He was running because he needed time to figure out what his life was going to take him. He put his all into trying to win Bella but it was all to no avail. He can look back in a year or two and see that he did his best effort. When he was telling Bella that there wont be anyone else, well he could have truly believed that then, but in a bit we will see how the perfect gal will waltz into his life and show him the true meaning of love. But that is just my opinion.
I have to admit at first I didn't like Jacob at all...but then I realised that I was in a similar situation. The guy who I thought liked me and who I cared for chose someone else who I believe is bad for him. I suddenly saw Jacob from a different perspective and I saw just what a wonderful character he is and how, while I didn't react the way he did, I now understood his actions. I am still EdwardxBella all the way but I can empathise and sympathise with Jacob, having your feelings pulled around like that is not fun.
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i think jacob is really good guy but i'd much rather bella be with edward then him. i really feel bad for him though and i hope and doesn't do anything to bella or edward. i hope he appears in BD as much as he was in EC and NM because i luved his parts!

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