Jacob Black Phase #5

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Crap! this is the last nighht and I wont even be here until late. Ugg. I'll join when I get back.

And, I don't think Jacob is really "fighting" for her. At this point all he wants her to do is consider not being a vampire. Bella is very one minded when it comes to the vampire transformation. She wants it done quickly and just to be a Cullen. She hasn't really given to much thought to how it will effect not only Jake, but her parents too. Jacob is just trying to get her to widen her outlook.
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Post by sunandair »

Are all the threads going to be closed? Isn't it kind of early to shut down for spoilers? HP sites shut down like 24 hours before and many people just chose to not go to them for about a week just in case (like me).

Alice_at_Heart said:
Yes. But Bella has made her choice. And when Jake fights for Bella, he hurts her. Not always on purpose. But someone is going to lose in this situation. As of now, it's Jake. Bella has said, "I know who I can't live without." If Jacob keeps fighting for Bella, he will only continue to hurt her.
At the end of Eclipse, Jacob decides he can accept her with Edward, but it is the fact that she will be a monster that he can't stand. He also runs off, with no real plan to return. He knows she's made her choice, but it doesn't mean he has to like it.


As for a new topic:

How do you think Jacob will return? What will bring him back? Will Sam convince him? Will something happen to Sam and so Jacob must return to take over as Alpha? Will something happen to Billy? Will he return of his own accord? What are other possibilities? Which would you prefer?
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob »

it's not even her becoming a vampire, it's that she might ACTUALLY die in the process, and either way, she won't be "his" bella anymore.
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Thats what bugs me...It seems like people forget that Jacob isnt fighting just to have Bella be his girlfriend of something...He is fighting to keep her alive! Thats huge and hes desperate! I can't put Jacob down for anything he tried! He tried his hardest and he made Bella realize how she truly felt. He was right for the fact that Bella did need to completely be aware of her options. Once she knew her options and made her choice, Jacob said "I dont want to cut you in half anymore" (or something close to that)

All that says to me is that Jacob has a wonderful heart through and through.
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RunsWithWolves wrote:Thats what bugs me...It seems like people forget that Jacob isnt fighting just to have Bella be his girlfriend of something...He is fighting to keep her alive! Thats huge and hes desperate! I can't put Jacob down for anything he tried! He tried his hardest and he made Bella realize how she truly felt. He was right for the fact that Bella did need to completely be aware of her options. Once she knew her options and made her choice, Jacob said "I dont want to cut you in half anymore" (or something close to that)

All that says to me is that Jacob has a wonderful heart through and through.
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I must have repeated that about ONE THOUSAND times! Nobody seems to get the message! :roll:
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Thats what bugs me...It seems like people forget that Jacob isnt fighting just to have Bella be his girlfriend of something...He is fighting to keep her alive! Thats huge and hes desperate! I can't put Jacob down for anything he tried! He tried his hardest and he made Bella realize how she truly felt. He was right for the fact that Bella did need to completely be aware of her options. Once she knew her options and made her choice, Jacob said "I dont want to cut you in half anymore" (or something close to that)

All that says to me is that Jacob has a wonderful heart through and through.
Okay...I'll admit it...I forgot this. I USED to be a complete Jacob hater. And my best friend, who is Team Jacob, helped me to 'rearrange' that opinion. Now, I just love Edward more, which tends to make me a little blind. My bad.

To Edward and Bella, when she becomes a vampire, she is not dying, to both of them she will still be alive. Since vampires and werewolves are mortal enemies, I can see why Jake would look at her as dead. But I also think that Bella has thought the majority of this decision to become a vampire through. I don't think anyone can prevent this. Edward couldn't.
Also, I think, that for me, part of the reason I'm not Team Jacob has to do with the fact that I view him as an older brother. I love him, but sometimes he can be a bit immature and arrogant.
How do you think Jacob will return? What will bring him back? Will Sam convince him? Will something happen to Sam and so Jacob must return to take over as Alpha? Will something happen to Billy? Will he return of his own accord? What are other possibilities? Which would you prefer?
I hope Jacob will return, and I would love for him to show up at the wedding, because hopefully it would show that he had accepted Bella's choice, but I don't think that will happen. I only think he'll come back if he has 1)Some outside motivation to protect Bella 2)The Cullen's + Bella have left 3) He moves on. I never thought that anything would happen to Sam so that Jake would have to take over. I like Sam. I hope that doesn't happen. I don't see anything happening to Billy, because I don't think it would make that much of a difference other than to hurt Jake even more. But feel free to convince me otherwise. I'm almost certain that the only way Jacob will come home is by himself. Billy is giving him his space, Sam is leaving him alone, and I suspect that the pack is under orders to not go and find him. I really want Jacob to come back, but I want him to be happy.
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LoyalTango wrote:
RunsWithWolves wrote:Thats what bugs me...It seems like people forget that Jacob isnt fighting just to have Bella be his girlfriend of something...He is fighting to keep her alive! Thats huge and hes desperate! I can't put Jacob down for anything he tried! He tried his hardest and he made Bella realize how she truly felt. He was right for the fact that Bella did need to completely be aware of her options. Once she knew her options and made her choice, Jacob said "I dont want to cut you in half anymore" (or something close to that)

All that says to me is that Jacob has a wonderful heart through and through.
Yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep.
THAAAAAAANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!
I must have repeated that about ONE THOUSAND times! Nobody seems to get the message! :roll:
JAKE'S GOT MORE HEART THAN THAT! <3
Yes! Again Thanke you!
Yea nobody seems to get it throught there head that Jake has more heart.

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Post by RunsWithWolves »

Alice_at_Heart wrote:Okay...I'll admit it...I forgot this. I USED to be a complete Jacob hater. And my best friend, who is Team Jacob, helped me to 'rearrange' that opinion. Now, I just love Edward more, which tends to make me a little blind. My bad.

To Edward and Bella, when she becomes a vampire, she is not dying, to both of them she will still be alive. Since vampires and werewolves are mortal enemies, I can see why Jake would look at her as dead. But I also think that Bella has thought the majority of this decision to become a vampire through. I don't think anyone can prevent this. Edward couldn't.
Also, I think, that for me, part of the reason I'm not Team Jacob has to do with the fact that I view him as an older brother. I love him, but sometimes he can be a bit immature and arrogant.
Thank you for seeing my side :) I appreciate that. Also, Jacob sees it as dying because her heart WILL stop and since Jacob is a natural enemy of the vampire..He doesn't understand how Bella could be one of THEM and still be HER, ya know?
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ok back...
Thats what bugs me...It seems like people forget that Jacob isnt fighting just to have Bella be his girlfriend of something...He is fighting to keep her alive! Thats huge and hes desperate! I can't put Jacob down for anything he tried! He tried his hardest and he made Bella realize how she truly felt. He was right for the fact that Bella did need to completely be aware of her options. Once she knew her options and made her choice, Jacob said "I dont want to cut you in half anymore" (or something close to that)

All that says to me is that Jacob has a wonderful heart through and through.
Yes! This is what I've been trying to tell my edward-obsessed friends. I can't look down on Jacob for any of his actions because he knew he was right. His obstacle was Bella herself. She was blind sighted by the memory, and then the return, of Edward. Jacob was only trying to ge ther past that.
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Post by Alice_at_Heart »

Also, Jacob sees it as dying because her heart WILL stop and since Jacob is a natural enemy of the vampire..He doesn't understand how Bella could be one of THEM and still be HER, ya know?
But if for some reason, Bella came running back to him as a vampire, I think that Jacob would do everything in his power to...not be repulsed by her. Not reject her. Not kill her. Not hate her. To love her. To help her. To be with her. I have no doubt that Jake would do this. He just can't see it now. And werewolves and vampires don't have to be mortal enemies. Look at Seth and Edward. Although I imagine Seth isn't in love with Edward.

Hmm. I'm no longer sure which side I am arguing... Who's side am I on anymore? :shock:
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