Jacob Black Phase #5

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Post by Liv-wa » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:58 pm

sunandair wrote:
I think he may not have been able to handle being a werewolf as well. It may have taken him longer to get control over it.
You stole my thought [: I was thinking that last night. He and Sam are the most controlled of the group. Sam is older/more mature than the other wolves and Jake, while still lacking the age, he grew up much faster. You look at Phil and see he needs some anger management skills and is much less controlled. Maturity definately seems to play a part in the transformation.
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:53 pm

i think it probably made him grow up faster in any case, which probably helped with the whole, you know, werewolf thing. and probably with bella, i mean, all things considered, he handled that INCREDIBLY maturely, considering it was his first "relationship" and was so incredibly complicated.

however, i don't think it had any other effect on him. i think that yeah, he was sort of "lacking" something growing up motherless in his childhood, but the quilutes in general seem really close, so i'm sure that while he didn't have an official mother around, he had mother - like influences.

it certainly had no negative effect on him.

by the way, i love how we're getting yelled at in our new thread. that's a lovely way to keep people on your website.
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:44 pm

oh dear. what have i done?

anyway. we should talk about jake now. topic...topic....topicccccccccc

dang.

ok. how about this.

jacob's intelligence.

edward, as we all know, is very smart, or very verbally "gifted" - gag me - whether this be who he is or due to all his schooling.

how smart do you think jacob is? how can you tell? do you think he's as smart as edward??
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Post by Manta » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:52 pm

Hello again....so you're looking for Jake haters? Well, that's not me...but we tend to disagree alot... :wink: ...so what are we talking about now?

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Post by holding.out.for.jacob » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:02 pm

well we don't really have a topic at the moment...do you have anything you wanted to talk about...anything that bugs you about jake??

just state it delicately please. and no easy bake ovens.
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Post by Alice_at_Heart » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:09 pm

I'm not a Jake hater. I'm just Team Edward. Which may or not be the same thing. I'm not sure =)

Bugs me about Jake? He tends to be rather arrogant. When he loses that, he's great. But he also manipulates Bella, to try and win her love. Alright, Edward has done this a couple times too, but he tends to be more up front about it. I loved Jake in New Moon. He was so kind and sweet. He understood Bella's feelings about Edward. Then Edward came back. Now Jake fights dirty, and he uses Bella's feelings toward him to make her feel guilty. I just can't justify that. Maybe it's the only way he knows how to fight, but to me, that still isn't right.
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:21 pm

Alice_at_Heart wrote:I'm not a Jake hater. I'm just Team Edward. Which may or not be the same thing. I'm not sure =)

Bugs me about Jake? He tends to be rather arrogant. When he loses that, he's great. But he also manipulates Bella, to try and win her love. Alright, Edward has done this a couple times too, but he tends to be more up front about it. I loved Jake in New Moon. He was so kind and sweet. He understood Bella's feelings about Edward. Then Edward came back. Now Jake fights dirty, and he uses Bella's feelings toward him to make her feel guilty. I just can't justify that. Maybe it's the only way he knows how to fight, but to me, that still isn't right.
are you under the impression that is only fighting to "win" bella???
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Post by sunandair » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:25 pm

Jacob is fighting to save Bella's life. To save her from becoming what he can only see as a monster. To save her from becoming his instinctual enemy. To save her from abandoning her family.

He is Bella's conscious and she'd be better off if she'd just listen to him.
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Post by Alice_at_Heart » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:00 pm

sunandair wrote:Jacob is fighting to save Bella's life. To save her from becoming what he can only see as a monster. To save her from becoming his instinctual enemy. To save her from abandoning her family.
Yes. But Bella has made her choice. And when Jake fights for Bella, he hurts her. Not always on purpose. But someone is going to lose in this situation. As of now, it's Jake. Bella has said, "I know who I can't live without." If Jacob keeps fighting for Bella, he will only continue to hurt her.
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Post by holding.out.for.jacob » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:03 pm

ok look at it this way.

bella can't really MAKE a choice until she knows her options. jake fights until she knows her options, which occurs just before the vamp/wolf fight, then, when bella visits him in "ethics" and tells him what she's realized, that she loves edward more than him, and that's what she's chosen, he accepts it and moves on.

and by the way, the line you drew upon to make your point didn't occur until AFTER she makes that choice, and he has obviously stopped fighting now.
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