Jacob Black - Phase 4

Discussion on the various characters throughout the books.
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Edward... well, you guys know how I feel about him. So I'll all say is I hate him more than any other character (except perhaps Bella), want him to go jump off a cliff, then drown himself in a vat of hydrochloric acid :). He's stupid and annoying and UGH. He just bugs me.
Can i ask why you hate Edward so much Megan? I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect that but i guess i just would like to know your reasoning.
I hate his personality. Hate it.

I hate romantic boys, in the first place. So some of the things he says just annoy me to death... I literally burst out laughing at certain parts in the series. I mean honestly... "My life was like a moonless night, then you shot across the sky like a meteor". I was rolling on the ground laughing when I read that part-- literally. I hate it when boys are constantly romantic. It's very unappealing to me. I have to force myself to read some of Edward's lines.

I hate overprotective boys. I've been in a relationship where the guy was very controlling and overprotective. Even though he cared about me, it drove me nuts. Being in an overprotective and controlling relationship is not good.

I hate that Edward thinks he has the right to control Bella, even if I understand why he did it. Let me clarify one thing. I don't have a problem with his motivations; I have a problem with the fact that he thinks he has the RIGHT to tell her what to do, tell her who to see, and forbid her from things. I know that he changed and let Bella do what she wanted in the end, but I don't think it was because he actually changed; I think it was because he just didn't want Bella to hurt herself. I wanted to kill him when he dismantled her car and had Alice kidnap her-- I've never forgiven him for those two things, even though I understand why he did it. I kind of felt like he had absolutely no respect for Bella's personal decisions. It's one thing to worry about someone; it's a COMPLETELY different thing to do things that FORCE the other person into compliance with what you want. Bella had no choice in those two instances, which is 100% completely and totally wrong. IMO.

I hate it when he says that he "doesn't need anyone but Bella to be happy". It rubbed off on me as kind of saying, "I don't care if the world is miserable as long as you are happy". That really bothered me and it seemed kind of... selfish, in a way. Obviously he wants her to be happy, but he should want others around him to be happy too...

I feel that he is somewhat pretentious. Before he met Bella, he seemed to think of himself as a bit "above" other people. And he was like, some weird serial killer for awhile-- he would stalk down criminals and kill them. I object to killing people in the first place, plus I sort of felt like he had a God Complex. I've never really been able to forgive him for killing all those people, even if they were scumbags.

I also feel like he is very subtly manipulative. For the most part, I don't think he intentionally does it. It's just kind of second nature. In the first chapter of Midnight Sun, he goes in to the school office to get his classes changed, and listens to what the secretary is thinking. From there, he decides what he needs to say to her to get his way. That's what I mean by manipulation-- he knows human nature so well, that he usually knows exactly how to get his way. So some of the things he did in Eclipse (and even New Moon) rubbed off as manipulative. When he told Bella in NM that he kill himself if she died, I was horrified. That's a terrible thing to hold over a person's head-- it's not romantic at all (IMO). It makes the person feel obligated. And then in the end of Eclipse when they are in the tent, and he tells Bella that Jake tricked her and isn't "noble", he says something like, "I can be noble, Bella". It just rubbed off to me as a subtle, yet somehow manipulative move, that made Bella feel even guiltier.

I hate that he lies to Bella. He lies and keeps things from Bella all the time. Even if it's going to hurt her, she deserves to know the truth. I know I would be more hurt if he lied to me than if he told me and I was worried (that's one reason I love Jake. He always tells the truth, no details spared). You shouldn't lie to someone you are in a serious relationship with-- part of love is trusting the other person. I can understand why Edward would keep things from her, but it still bothers me.

Plus he's such a grouch when he doesn't get his way. As Alice says, he's a pain in the butt when he doesn't get what he wants. I feel like there is a much darker side to Edward-- he actually scared me on some parts of Eclipse. When he tells Bella that he wants the world to know that "you are mine, and only mine" or whatever, I got creeped out. When he dismantled her car and had that conversation with her in the truck, I got creeped out. He seemed... monstrous to me in those two moments. That probably sounds weird, but he really did just freak me out.

Oh and, I hate that he's such an extreme guy. There's no gray area for him; he's always black and white. Examples are when he promises Bella in Twilight that he won't leave her, then turns around in New Moon and leaves, leaving no trace at all behind. Another example is when he tells Bella she can't see Jake, then turns around and more or less shoves her in Jake's arms. He's such an over reactor; it's like he doesn't know what moderation is. He goes from one end of the spectrum to the other. I tend to be a grayish person, and I really dislike extremities. I don't like it when people go to extremes. So Edward really bugs me in that concept.

Plus, I just hate vampires. I don't like them. Well, I like 4 of them (Rose, Emmett, Carlisle, and Aro). But I don't like any of the others. I don't like the concept of vampire.

Haha I could go on and on and on and on about this. Edward is a good person; I don't think he's evil. He just does everything the wrong way (IMO) and I absolutely loathe some of the things he does. He and I have got conflicting personalities ;). He sounds like a terrible boyfriend to me. I know that I, for one, couldn't put up with him for all of eternity.
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At first, when i saw that post i thought wow, then i saw it was you megan and shook it off. haha.

But theres no way i could've said it better myself.
If anyone wonders why i hate him, Aros_girl might after seeing the thread in the Breaking Dawn topic haha. Just read megans post and you will know.

You don't like Alice?! I thought i was the only one who didn't like her.
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emmett_<3 wrote:At first, when i saw that post i thought wow, then i saw it was you megan and shook it off. haha.

But theres no way i could've said it better myself.
If anyone wonders why i hate him, Aros_girl might after seeing the thread in the Breaking Dawn topic haha. Just read megans post and you will know.

You don't like Alice?! I thought i was the only one who didn't like her.
No, not at all. She was cool in Twilight, annoyed me to death in New Moon (I was mad when she was mean to Jake), and she sort of redeemed herself in Eclipse. But I don't like that she's so girly and picky and a shopper and all that, because I don't particularly enjoy those things (even though I am fairly picky about my clothes and I go shopping. Go figure. Haha). I absolutely hate going to parties (I don't like being in a huge crowd) too. So it kind of bugged me that she like... forced Bella into doing some things she didn't want to do (like going to the party and all that). It's good Bella went, but still. Alice is a little to... preppy for my taste. She reminds me of all the stupid girls I used to do cheerleading with. Plus her constant optimism sort of gets to me. Which probably sounds horrible, but hey...

What's this about the BD forum?
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Haha darn. I get annoyed with Alice, very easily. Her personality i guess. But this isn't the thread, so i'll stop.

Urg. When i'm not here the thread is actually interesting, i come back, and it's dead.

I just talked to this girl...shes going off to college in August, and she is in love with the Saga. So before anything else i ask her...Edward or Jacob? She says Edward. I sigh, make her sit down at the table, and lecture her on why Jake is so much better. Her friend, aka my step sister (the reason she was even at my house) is laughing her head off. But the point is, i converted her to Team Jake with one easy conversation. I was truly proud. Lmao.


Oh the BD thing. Well the 'Who Would You Choose? Edward or Jacob' thread...long story short, i wasn't nice. haha.
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It is who would you choose? Jacob or Edward? well one girl said Jacob was anoying ans emmett said you are a loser. Well yea some people got mad.

emmett I said play nice!
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haha i said sorry!
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yea promise me you will try not to do tha again. Please.

The more you do that the mods will be after you.*sigh*
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emmett_<3 wrote:Haha darn. I get annoyed with Alice, very easily. Her personality i guess. But this isn't the thread, so i'll stop.

Urg. When i'm not here the thread is actually interesting, i come back, and it's dead.

I just talked to this girl...shes going off to college in August, and she is in love with the Saga. So before anything else i ask her...Edward or Jacob? She says Edward. I sigh, make her sit down at the table, and lecture her on why Jake is so much better. Her friend, aka my step sister (the reason she was even at my house) is laughing her head off. But the point is, i converted her to Team Jake with one easy conversation. I was truly proud. Lmao.


Oh the BD thing. Well the 'Who Would You Choose? Edward or Jacob' thread...long story short, i wasn't nice. haha.
I'm so proud, love. Hoffjuh and I convert you, then you convert someone else. It's like a chain reaction, man!

The Dark Side will rule the universe in no time now 8).
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I sudenly want to say Come to the dark side to all the people I know. But in a darth vader voice.

Thanks Megan for that idea.

But some Jacob fans are just mean, even to other jacob fans.
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Aros_girl wrote:yea promise me you will try not to do tha again. Please.

The more you do that the mods will be after you.*sigh*

Blah blah blah. I know i know. I should be nice. It's surprisingly difficult. I KNOW! I'll just stay away from those threads. :]
meganj924 wrote: I'm so proud, love. Hoffjuh and I convert you, then you convert someone else. It's like a chain reaction, man!

The Dark Side will rule the universe in no time now 8).
Haha, i'm so glad i listened to you guys. I'd still be an Edward fan...ick. haha. Yes, i've actually converted 2 people. My way overly obsessed with Edward best friend. I took baby steps with her though. I had to make her not like Edward first then make her like Jacob. The college girl was easier. haha.

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