Jacob Black - Phase 4

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wampF!GHT wrote:no no its totally ok.
But maybe it got "boring" because all of that stressful stuff happened with bella and edward...They dont have a playful relationship like Her and jacob do..With everything that happens to Edward and Bella its hard for them to laid back and have a fun relationship like it was in the beginning, so maybe thats why you think it got boring for you?
Perhaps...But even Jacob goes through his own crap, along with Bella's crap, and still he knows how to crack some jokes and be a bit carefree. Ya know what I mean?
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RunsWithWolves wrote:
Perhaps...But even Jacob goes through his own crap, along with Bella's crap, and still he knows how to crack some jokes and be a bit carefree. Ya know what I mean?

I know what you mean, but Edward has always been a little more serious than Jacob. Not to mention Edward is much older than him too..i see your point but i think that with all the stressful things going on with edward and bella, he handles it a bit differently than jacob.. :shock:
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I_wish_I_had_Edward wrote:I don't know if this is the right area to post this in so it might get moved. I have a inquiring question for all of you that want Jacob and Bella to end up together. When you read the first novel, how did you feel about Bell and Edward (did you fall in love with couple when you read it as I did). Now if your answer was yes, how did that opinion change after you read the second and third novels. The reason for my question is that I was under the oppression that the books were about Edward and Bella's love story. Before anyone jumps on me I'm not criticizing I'm just curious because I read all three novels witihin a month of each other and what kept me reading was the curiousity of how/if Bella and Edward would end up together.

When I first read Twilight, I did fall in love with the couple. Thats obviously what SM intended you to do. In the first book, you don't get anything but Edward and Bella, Edward and Bella, and more Edward and Bella. Jacob was merely a tool for Bella in the first book. He only appeard a few times. But when you read New Moon, you get something entirely different.

When you read New Moon, Edward leaves. No matter how much people want to justify it, no matter what his intentions were, he left. And it was the biggest mistake he could ever make. Now I dont know about everyone else, but he pissed me off right there. But when Bella was at her lowest point, the point where she was nothing but an empty shell, Jacob came into the picture. He was willing to take Bella as the broken person that she was and fix her up. All he ever wanted for her was for her to feel better and be happy. He did everything in his power to fix her broken heart. But then, when things began to look a little better, Bella hears that Edward was in trouble, and then she left. She left Jacob. Jacob, who had stayed by her side and worked his hardest to put her broken peices back together. And she left him. Left him for the person who, in the beginning, had left her in the first place. Bella barely gave Jacob a second glance. Jacob deserved so much more than that.

That was the real turning point for me. That was the point where I knew that Jacob was my favorite. Jacob Black is one of the most caring and strong people that Ive ever read about. And he got royally screwed over. He didnt deserve that in the very least. Plus, reading everything thats posted in this board about Jacob, you cant help but think about things in a new perspective. These girls have Jacob's back. As do I.

Long live Jacob Black!
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JacobFever...That was WONDERFULLY said! Honestly, bravo!! I couldn't have said it better myself...Again, bravo!! That was said like a true Jacob lover...AMAZINGLY PUT! :D

And you made a good point too, wampF!GHT! Hehe, you're lucky I love you ;)
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I_wish_I_had_Edward wrote:I don't know if this is the right area to post this in so it might get moved. I have a inquiring question for all of you that want Jacob and Bella to end up together. When you read the first novel, how did you feel about Bell and Edward (did you fall in love with couple when you read it as I did). Now if your answer was yes, how did that opinion change after you read the second and third novels. The reason for my question is that I was under the oppression that the books were about Edward and Bella's love story. Before anyone jumps on me I'm not criticizing I'm just curious because I read all three novels witihin a month of each other and what kept me reading was the curiousity of how/if Bella and Edward would end up together.
that, my dear, is one of the best questions ever posted on this thread. very well written too! welcome!

well i can answer that, but it's going to take me a while, so i'm just going to type and see what happens.

the first book really WAS solely about bella and edward. there really were no other factors, because everything in bedwardland was pretty and perfect...minus a few bloodthirsty vampires. but to be honest, i found it a little boring.

but then, in new moon, edward left, so the story HAD to expand. SM needed to bring in another character. it couldn't very well be solely about two people if one of them was "never coming back". that's where jacob comes in.

and then it became a REAL gripping story, because there were so many dynamics, and so many facets, if you will. it got deeper, and you could tell that twilight was a first novel and
new moon a second, just by the depth of writing.

add that to the fact that everyone reads for different reasons, and you've got the black pack!

ok here's an example. you can do this with movies too. take POTC. some people watch that movie because they want to see the story of will and elizabeth. I however, am much more focused on my drool session with a certain eyeliner wearing pirate. and i KNOW i am not alone in that!!!

personally, i find myself drawn to characters that aren't what they appear. edward's speeches and things are pretty, yes, and swoonworthy, but that's all he is. and i don't mean that as a bad thing, but he sort of lays his cards out on the table. he may have secrets and things that will surprise you, but they aren't necessarily unexpected, you know? like they would totally fit into the very clear picture of him. jacob, on the other hand, you never know what he's going to do next, what he's going to say, but you know it will be clever, and you know he'll always be fun. and i LOVE that. savvy?? :P

now, i may be a freak in this. i don't really know if i want jacob and bella to be together. i mean, i think she should have chosen him in eclipse, but now...i just don't know. i suppose i do, but it's very conditional. first of all, jacob needs to heal and sort of get over her first. not stop loving her, but just so that he's "better". and bella needs to come to him. of her own volition. that's the only way i can think of it being ok.

i also don't really think you can just classify that a series is about one thing. i mean you can totally say that with twilight, because there were only two main characters, but once you add jacob as a lead, the entire direction changes.
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JacobFever wrote:

When I first read Twilight, I did fall in love with the couple. Thats obviously what SM intended you to do. In the first book, you don't get anything but Edward and Bella, Edward and Bella, and more Edward and Bella. Jacob was merely a tool for Bella in the first book. He only appeard a few times. But when you read New Moon, you get something entirely different.

When you read New Moon, Edward leaves. No matter how much people want to justify it, no matter what his intentions were, he left. And it was the biggest mistake he could ever make. Now I dont know about everyone else, but he pissed me off right there. But when Bella was at her lowest point, the point where she was nothing but an empty shell, Jacob came into the picture. He was willing to take Bella as the broken person that she was and fix her up. All he ever wanted for her was for her to feel better and be happy. He did everything in his power to fix her broken heart. But then, when things began to look a little better, Bella hears that Edward was in trouble, and then she left. She left Jacob. Jacob, who had stayed by her side and worked his hardest to put her broken peices back together. And she left him. Left him for the person who, in the beginning, had left her in the first place. Bella barely gave Jacob a second glance. Jacob deserved so much more than that.

That was the real turning point for me. That was the point where I knew that Jacob was my favorite. Jacob Black is one of the most caring and strong people that Ive ever read about. And he got royally screwed over. He didnt deserve that in the very least. Plus, reading everything thats posted in this board about Jacob, you cant help but think about things in a new perspective. These girls have Jacob's back. As do I.

Long live Jacob Black!




I agree with RunsWithWolves, that was wonderfully put.
I totally agree with that...yet Edward is still my favorite...Am i just totally insane??
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wampF!GHT wrote:I agree with RunsWithWolves, that was wonderfully put.
I totally agree with that...yet Edward is still my favorite...Am i just totally insane??
Yes...Yes, you are... :shock:

I wish you could agree and then say "And Jacob is the best!"

....That'll be the day....
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No you are not. You are normal.

But the longer you stay on this thread the more you see Jacob better. I hope I am on topic. Am I?

Well I will say this. Long live Jacob Black!

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RunsWithWolves wrote:
wampF!GHT wrote:I agree with RunsWithWolves, that was wonderfully put.
I totally agree with that...yet Edward is still my favorite...Am i just totally insane??
Yes...Yes, you are... :shock:

I wish you could agree and then say "And Jacob is the best!"

....That'll be the day....

haha..who knows...it might happen to me like it did to you.
This IS my second time now...the possibilities are endless
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Post by RunsWithWolves »

Aros_girl wrote:No you are not. You are normal.

But the longer you stay on this thread the more you see Jacob better. I hope I am on topic. Am I?

Well I will say this. Long live Jacob Black!

Proud member of the Black Pack!
lol I'm allowed to call her insane..She's my bestest friend. And darn she is stubborn..I've been trying to convert her for who knows how long!
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