Jacob Black - Phase 4

Discussion on the various characters throughout the books.
snarky
Jump Starting Bella's Truck
Posts: 150
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 6:59 am
Location: At the beach fighting with Paul over a hot dog.

Post by snarky »

meganj924 wrote:So question.

Us Jake lovers and I always talk about what we love so much about Jake. What don't you like about him?
I hate how he's so in love with Bella that he allows her to treat him so badly.

RunsWithWolves wrote:I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet or not...But how do you guys feel on the whole "my Jacob" and "Sam's Jacob"? Do you feel their really are two Jacob personas? Or do you disagree with Bella's assessment?

I feel Bella puts too much emphasis on this... snip
Yes, he does have a different side to him but then so do we. We naturally adjust our behaviour and bearing based on the situation and whom we're interacting with at the moment.

Bella's just being her usual self-absorbed and useless self, expecting and demanding that Jacob always be HER Jacob, not realising that there are other things happening in his life that he can't share with her. While being soft, tender and worshipful might work with Bella, I can't see how Jacob could get Leah to follow orders if he took that approach with her.
Thank you, Squee_Attack for the Avatar :)

<i>Jacob + Bella = 3KG Sad</i>
Hum paas hai phir bhi kitni hai dooriyan
Jism tu, jaan main, teri pehchaan main
Milke bhi na mile, yeh hai kaisa bharam
Yeh hai tere karam, kabhi khushi kabhi gham

shadesofblack
Buying a Better Raincoat
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:59 am
Location: St. Louis, MO

Post by shadesofblack »

edwardxbellaxjake wrote:
RunsWithWolves wrote:I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet or not...But how do you guys feel on the whole "my Jacob" and "Sam's Jacob"? Do you feel their really are two Jacob personas? Or do you disagree with Bella's assessment?
I believe yes. I mean, obviously when he's with Bella, he's more...tender (?), but when he's with the pack, he's got to be on his game.

Haha. It reminds me of real life guys. They act differently when they're with their friends, and their girl.
i agree. but Bella was sort of like "One of the guys" to Jake pre-phase, or that's what i thought.
[b]The Dark Knight[/b] = MASTERFUL.

Patiently waiting for ... [i]Breaking Dawn[/i] and [b]Twilight[/b] the Movie!

Aros_girl
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 6:56 pm
Location: In Italy keeping the Volturi secret....Proud member of the Black Pack!
Contact:

Post by Aros_girl »

Jacob does have two diffrent sides to him. I like the cute, funny, less serious side of him. When he is with Bella he is that guy and that is what she loves about him.

His second side is when he is with the pack. Serious, not funny, more intece jacob. But that is the role he has to play. He has to be on his guard when he is with the pack.

And when he is hurt he is the serious jacob and the on the guard jacob. He does not want to be happy untill the other person is too.

This is so weird for me. Seeingas I have only been a Jacob fan for a day.
[url=http://i282.photobucket.com][img]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/smoshxox/blackpacl.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/956/vamp3bc0ew4.png[/img][/url]
[size=84]Thanks Twilightvampire17[/size]

meganj924
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 817
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:29 pm
Location: Stabbing Edward Cullen with a pencil while learning a little survival one-oh-one from Jake ;).

Post by meganj924 »

RunsWithWolves wrote:I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet or not...But how do you guys feel on the whole "my Jacob" and "Sam's Jacob"? Do you feel their really are two Jacob personas? Or do you disagree with Bella's assessment?

I feel Bella puts too much emphasis on this. Jacob hardened when he became a werewolf. The world wasn't the happy carefree place it once had been. There was a whole darkside that Jacob had been unwillingly thrust into..He learned to toughen up with it, and sometimes it was easier for him to act like the things happening didn't affect him (IMO)...Hence the emotionless face and the short hard remarks..Jacob's a 16 yr old boy and I think its difficult for him to express how he truly feels..Except when he is alone with Bella.
Hmmmm. Well, to me, it kind of goes back to the concept that he only has a few weeks to save Bella. It kind of goes back to the concept that he resented becoming a werewolf (at first). It goes back to the concept that he hates vampires.

I wouldn't say there are two different Jake's. I mean, there are, but... eeeek. How do I explain this?

"My Jacob" is the Jacob that is carefree and relaxed. And that's because he has no stress. He's just a normal teenager with a pretty good life. There's not a lot to be worried about. Then all the sudden, he's thrust into this mythical world. He turns into this giant hairy thing. He finds out that his best friend-- and the person he is in love with-- is in love with a vampire! He finds out that he's now obligated to be the "protector" of the tribe, even though he never asked for it. He's just thrust into this horrible situation-- and is landed with all these responsibilities-- when he doesn't ask for it. So I think some of his resentment comes from that-- the lack of choice. Jacob is a person who is not easily confined and restricted. He likes having a choice. So he's bitter because he feels restricted, in a way. He's bitter because he hates Edward for what he is, and even more because of what he did to Bella. He has so many other things to feel resentment about-- Bella being a terrible friend to him towards the end of New Moon (and in parts of Eclipse), Bella just leaving him and seemingly forgetting everything, Bella hanging out with the Cullens instead, feeling like he's not good enough, etc. And he has to worry about Bella, on top of that.

Soooo it's like. I definitely get why there is that resentment. And I think that the "dark side" we see of Jacob in Eclipse is some of that resentment coming through. Jake's way of channeling his anger is to lose his temper or to make painfully sarcastic comments. It's his way of dealing with it all; he doesn't often let his true feelings show through (unless he's alone with Bella). Which is totally understandable. Men tend to have issues with pride; how many guys do you know who show their emotions easily? Which is why he tries to put on that "mask", IMO. It doesn't help that he doesn't really have anyone to talk to, either. He's kind of fighting the battle alone. A lot of the wolves kind of have the attitude of, "Screw Bella, she ditched us for bloodsuckers". Billy isn't exactly helpful. Bella is an idiot and doesn't take the time to look at it from his view. All she cares about is having "her Jacob"-- she doesn't take the time to consider why he is acting the way he is acting. She just flips out that he's not doing she she wants him to do (she's so stupid). So that "darker" side to him is, IMO, his resentment and anger and frustration leaking through. It's not necessarily that there's a "bad, evil dark side" to him. It's not necessarily that there is "another Jacob". He acts differently, but that's because of the situation he's in. Underneath it all, he's still the same old Jacob.

Anyways. The point is yeah, he has his darker side. He's got his bad qualities. Buuuuuuuuuuut that's not because he literally has two personalities; it's because of the situation he's placed in. He goes from being a happy teenager to having an extremely stressful life. Most teens don't handle stress very well.
<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/ipblm8.jpg"><img src="http://i29.tinypic.com/2u8jmld.gif"><img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/9urrlv.jpg"><img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/30lnvye.gif"><img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/1zc1duh.jpg">
<center><img src="http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/smoshxox/blackpacl.jpg">
[b]Team Jacob[/b]-- Because dogs are better than leeches. Because real men don't sparkle. Because Romeo is a pansy. Because Jake is HUMAN.

emmett_<3
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 7:10 pm
Location: In the underground cellar of love with jake, taylor lautner, and jurgienicole. :D
Contact:

Post by emmett_<3 »

:shock: Wow, you've progressed a little. What did i miss?
<img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/24b7lee.png"> <img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/j9c9hf.png">
<img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/t9h9v4.png">

emmett_<3
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 7:10 pm
Location: In the underground cellar of love with jake, taylor lautner, and jurgienicole. :D
Contact:

Post by emmett_<3 »

Nevermind, only two pages.
What's up guys?! More usually happens!
<img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/24b7lee.png"> <img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/j9c9hf.png">
<img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/t9h9v4.png">

meganj924
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 817
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:29 pm
Location: Stabbing Edward Cullen with a pencil while learning a little survival one-oh-one from Jake ;).

Post by meganj924 »

emmett_<3 wrote:Nevermind, only two pages.
What's up guys?! More usually happens!
Haha well I went and saw Wall E earlier today and then I went to my friend's house, so that's why I haven't been here all day :).

And now I'm watching a Batman commercial and thinking. It's so strange to see him. It's going to be soooooooooooooooooo incredibly strange to see Heath Ledger in the movie because he's... well... dead. It's going to be so strange to watch him and then remember that he isn't even alive now. I guess it's weird because he was such a young guy. Eeeeeeek.

Hey you guys! Twenty pages til our next forum! Chyaaaaaa!
<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/ipblm8.jpg"><img src="http://i29.tinypic.com/2u8jmld.gif"><img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/9urrlv.jpg"><img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/30lnvye.gif"><img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/1zc1duh.jpg">
<center><img src="http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/smoshxox/blackpacl.jpg">
[b]Team Jacob[/b]-- Because dogs are better than leeches. Because real men don't sparkle. Because Romeo is a pansy. Because Jake is HUMAN.

Aros_girl
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 6:56 pm
Location: In Italy keeping the Volturi secret....Proud member of the Black Pack!
Contact:

Post by Aros_girl »

Is Wall E good? I have not seen it yet.

But emmett I have been on this thread today. I came to the "dark side".
[url=http://i282.photobucket.com][img]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/smoshxox/blackpacl.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/956/vamp3bc0ew4.png[/img][/url]
[size=84]Thanks Twilightvampire17[/size]

LoyalTango
Hanging Up on Jessica
Posts: 693
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:26 pm
Location: Clearing Jacob Black's good name.
Contact:

Post by LoyalTango »

emmett_<3 wrote:Nevermind, only two pages.
What's up guys?! More usually happens!
Mmm I went and got a disasterous hair-cut, which then sparked our discussion of what hair style we like Jacob in best.
And then, I guess, we talked a little about the whole "My Jacob" thing.
And then meganj saw Wall-E.

SO NOTHING MUCH! :D
<a href="http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q213/swim_fishie/?action=view&current=Besafe-4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q213/swim_fishie/Besafe-4.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
[img]http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q213/swim_fishie/blackpack.jpg[/img]
[url=http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4192970/1/Not_a_Dream]Read LoyalTango's Twilight FanFiction![/url]

meganj924
Fishing with Charlie
Posts: 817
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:29 pm
Location: Stabbing Edward Cullen with a pencil while learning a little survival one-oh-one from Jake ;).

Post by meganj924 »

Aros_girl wrote:Is Wall E good? I have not seen it yet.

But emmett I have been on this thread today. I came to the "dark side".
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I liked Wall E. It's not my favorite Pixar movie (FINDING NEMO KICKS BUTT!), but it was pretty good. It wasn't good enough that I'll go out and buy it, but it wasn't a waste of money either. It was a cute movie... just not the best Pixar I've ever seen.
<img src="http://i28.tinypic.com/ipblm8.jpg"><img src="http://i29.tinypic.com/2u8jmld.gif"><img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/9urrlv.jpg"><img src="http://i38.tinypic.com/30lnvye.gif"><img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/1zc1duh.jpg">
<center><img src="http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk270/smoshxox/blackpacl.jpg">
[b]Team Jacob[/b]-- Because dogs are better than leeches. Because real men don't sparkle. Because Romeo is a pansy. Because Jake is HUMAN.

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests