Jacob Black - phase 3

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Post by DarkWaterOfAPoisonousWell »

Edward does it to Bella too. She doesn't want to get married to him. She fights him the entire book. So what does he do? Kidnaps her for the night and then makes out with her to the point where she'll give in (as I remember, she says he kissed her in a way that "should be illegal" and made her all flustered). And when he finally proposed, part of her wanted to scream at him and say no. So I sort of felt like Edward tricked her into it and took advantage of the situation. I can understand why he did it, but I still think he took advantage of it. Edward pulls just as many nasty tricks.

Jacob told on the motorcycles because he thought it would be dangerous for Bella to be around Edward. He doesn't trust vampires-- it's not in his nature. Plus he hates Edward for breaking Bella's heart in the first place. He knows that he is dangerous too, but he trusts himself to not hurt her. He doesn't trust Edward with that because he doesn't know Edward. Can you blame him for being worried about his friend's welfare? If your best friend in the entire world was hanging out with vampire, wouldn't you be freaked out too?

As for when he threatened to kill himself... yeah, it bothers me too. But I don't blame him for it or hold it against him because I completely understand why he did it. He saw it as one of his last chances to finally make her realize she was in love with him too. His one last shot to save her life. So yeah, he did take advantage of the situation a little bit. But he had too. How else could he have made her see? But in the end, it worked. He got her to finally see she loved him. And that's the important thing.

Would you rather Bella have been completely unaware how she felt for Jacob, then have gotten married, turned into a vampire, and realize 100 years later that she loves Jacob and missed out on a great life with him? It's better for her to know.

I wasn't talking about Edward...I was talking about Jacob. And what Jacob did. Not what Edward did that you didn't like...for all you know I could have hated that part too. However, I felt like the way Jacob manipulated Bella's emotions was incredibly underhanded and out of his best interest and not hers. He isn't the only person to have been manipulative throughout the three books...but he's the only one (in my opinion) who used to get what was in his best interest while knowingly hurting someone he said he loved.

I felt like in order for her best interest to be what Jacob wanted above all that his first priority would have been "keep her from being turned into a vampire." Yet, his actions didn't add up to that being his motivation...it was like to him that there was no middle ground and that Bella had to chose him or Edward and become a vampire. He didn't even once try to say..."I know you care about Edward but please don't end your life by turning into a vampire"...it was always about her choosing him instead. Which in itself is a weird idea...like he was so full of himself that she couldn't possibly not want him. Or that it wasn't possible that she could end up with someone who wasn't him or Edward.

Wanting Bella to see that she is in love with him doesn't have her best interest at heart. If Bella was ready to see that she loved him...she would see it. The whole thing has Jacob's interest at heart. And an interest that drove him to put Bella in a very difficult situation that could have gone a lot more smoothly had he actually been concerned about her feelings. It was like the idea that she had emotions other than what she felt for him wasn't possible. To her she didn't have any feelings for Jacob...but to Jacob that was all she had...which again is an interesting juxtaposition almost.

Honestly, if Jacob hadn't behaved the way he did throughout Eclipse and hadn't had Bella constantly annoyed with him...I bet she would have figured out that she liked him a lot faster because there wouldn't be this constant conflict going on between them that would cloud other feelings.

I feel like Jacob behaved horribly in Eclipse. In all honesty, I thought he was a sweet kid until he became a werewolf and became quite annoying. And it seemed like he was constantly taking out his frustration about becoming a werewolf on Bella even though it was indirectly (he was hurting those she cared about and didn't even flinch when he could see how upset she was). Sort of the way Leah was taking out her frustrations w/Sam and the whole werewolf thing on the rest of the pack.
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saying that he pretty much forces her into saying yes to the proposal is dumb. he says at the end of the book that the engagement is off and that he just wants her to be happy. and she says no, that she wants to marry him. so you cant say he forced her into it!!! in the end, it came down to her happiness.
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DarkWaterOfAPoisonousWell wrote:
Edward does it to Bella too. She doesn't want to get married to him. She fights him the entire book. So what does he do? Kidnaps her for the night and then makes out with her to the point where she'll give in (as I remember, she says he kissed her in a way that "should be illegal" and made her all flustered). And when he finally proposed, part of her wanted to scream at him and say no. So I sort of felt like Edward tricked her into it and took advantage of the situation. I can understand why he did it, but I still think he took advantage of it. Edward pulls just as many nasty tricks.

Jacob told on the motorcycles because he thought it would be dangerous for Bella to be around Edward. He doesn't trust vampires-- it's not in his nature. Plus he hates Edward for breaking Bella's heart in the first place. He knows that he is dangerous too, but he trusts himself to not hurt her. He doesn't trust Edward with that because he doesn't know Edward. Can you blame him for being worried about his friend's welfare? If your best friend in the entire world was hanging out with vampire, wouldn't you be freaked out too?

As for when he threatened to kill himself... yeah, it bothers me too. But I don't blame him for it or hold it against him because I completely understand why he did it. He saw it as one of his last chances to finally make her realize she was in love with him too. His one last shot to save her life. So yeah, he did take advantage of the situation a little bit. But he had too. How else could he have made her see? But in the end, it worked. He got her to finally see she loved him. And that's the important thing.

Would you rather Bella have been completely unaware how she felt for Jacob, then have gotten married, turned into a vampire, and realize 100 years later that she loves Jacob and missed out on a great life with him? It's better for her to know.

I wasn't talking about Edward...I was talking about Jacob. And what Jacob did. Not what Edward did that you didn't like...for all you know I could have hated that part too. However, I felt like the way Jacob manipulated Bella's emotions was incredibly underhanded and out of his best interest and not hers. He isn't the only person to have been manipulative throughout the three books...but he's the only one (in my opinion) who used to get what was in his best interest while knowingly hurting someone he said he loved.

I felt like in order for her best interest to be what Jacob wanted above all that his first priority would have been "keep her from being turned into a vampire." Yet, his actions didn't add up to that being his motivation...it was like to him that there was no middle ground and that Bella had to chose him or Edward and become a vampire. He didn't even once try to say..."I know you care about Edward but please don't end your life by turning into a vampire"...it was always about her choosing him instead. Which in itself is a weird idea...like he was so full of himself that she couldn't possibly not want him. Or that it wasn't possible that she could end up with someone who wasn't him or Edward.

Wanting Bella to see that she is in love with him doesn't have her best interest at heart. If Bella was ready to see that she loved him...she would see it. The whole thing has Jacob's interest at heart. And an interest that drove him to put Bella in a very difficult situation that could have gone a lot more smoothly had he actually been concerned about her feelings. It was like the idea that she had emotions other than what she felt for him wasn't possible. To her she didn't have any feelings for Jacob...but to Jacob that was all she had...which again is an interesting juxtaposition almost.

Honestly, if Jacob hadn't behaved the way he did throughout Eclipse and hadn't had Bella constantly annoyed with him...I bet she would have figured out that she liked him a lot faster because there wouldn't be this constant conflict going on between them that would cloud other feelings.

I feel like Jacob behaved horribly in Eclipse. In all honesty, I thought he was a sweet kid until he became a werewolf and became quite annoying. And it seemed like he was constantly taking out his frustration about becoming a werewolf on Bella even though it was indirectly (he was hurting those she cared about and didn't even flinch when he could see how upset she was). Sort of the way Leah was taking out her frustrations w/Sam and the whole werewolf thing on the rest of the pack.

thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!! i mean there are some things that i dont agree with and i think that its a little extreme. but i agree with you on a lot of that!!
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In the end Jacob wanted Bella to kiss him because he wanted her to realise that she loved him too not for him but for her, so that she could say to herself well I knew I loved them both and i knowing that chose to be with the person that i knew i couldn't live without. Rather than in how ever many months or years going oh shoot i love jacob and wondering or regretting not knowing what her informed decision would be and it being to late to decide. This way she knows what she realises what she could have with both of them ie: she could have kids with jacob and made her decision knowing that was a life she could have. Jacob wanted her to be able to do that even knowing that the decision would probably not favour him.

But just so we are clear I love jake lol. Go Team Jacob.
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New Moon wrote:In the end Jacob wanted Bella to kiss him because he wanted her to realise that she loved him too not for him but for her, so that she could say to herself well I knew I loved them both and i knowing that chose to be with the person that i knew i couldn't live without. Rather than in how ever many months or years going oh shoot i love jacob and wondering or regretting not knowing what her informed decision would be and it being to late to decide. This way she knows what she realises what she could have with both of them ie: she could have kids with jacob and made her decision knowing that was a life she could have. Jacob wanted her to be able to do that even knowing that the decision would probably not favour him.

But just so we are clear I love jake lol. Go Team Jacob.
exactactally!


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team jake DOES Rock!!
and new threads :D :D
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Bella_S_Black wrote:team jake DOES Rock!!
and new threads :D :D
You can say that again!

haha yes, we team jakers say a lot, don't we? ;)
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Heck yeah Team Jake rocks!
As does PHASE THREE!
Bwaha!

This may be a little random, but does anyone have a facebook? I just started a Team Jacob group and it needs members. xD
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yeah how long do you bet it will till take for thread 4?
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