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Post by Pretty Words » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:57 pm

Wow...I am seriously missing out aren't I? You all have started such interesting debates! Unfortunately, I'm not in a great state of mind to argue any of my points. Honestly? I just like going through and seeing what you all have to say because most of the time, I find it extremely profound and insightful...yet have nothing to add. But anyway, that's all beside the point...in fact I'm not even entirely sure why I'm posting...

oh, right!
December wrote:There is no other option but to stand back and let the drama unfold before him. He could not possibly have jumped up and down, yelling, pick-me! pick-me! because that's not Edward. It's not only the personality difference between Edward and Jake, it's also about difference between the boy and the man. (as so eloquently pointed out before)
...and between the Human (Though I agree. He's very much still a boy, no matter how old he looks. His actions speak otherwise) and the Vampire...

Edward will step back and let Bella handle the revelation of her feelings for Jake because he it's no longer his battle. I've said this before in another thread, but Edward will fight against Jake, and does, when he knows Bella's heart is his. Once it's confirmed that she has opened herself to Jake, he can't force anything out of her. He would be fighting against Bella at that point instead of Jake, and he will not do that. Edward could hurt Jacobs feelings, but he will never do anything that would cause any more pain to Bella than she is already causing (to herself). It's an internal struggle for her, and he is wise enough to recognize that Bella's revelation is going to mean pain for her. His jealousy is secondary to her pain. He wants to give her the space she needs to deal with her newfound option. (and despite the pain it must cause him, he wants her to give it thoughtful consideration) This is all about Bella and he has no good option but to sit back until she has worked through her feelings on her own. It's the only way either one of them will ever be sure her choice was the right choice.
*sigh* December, I like the way you phrase things. It makes so much sense to me, and if it's not what I was already thinking, it's definitely what I needed to hear. :D

Question though. You said that when Edward was sure Bella's heart was his, he'll fight Jake. But what about right before TGDS, when E/B are in the tent, and Edward brings up the engagement, knowing that Jake is listening? I mean, by that point he knew what Bella's feelings for Jake really were, but does it not count because Bella didn't know what her feelings were?

This is a little off-topic, but it reminds me...after I finished Eclispe, I was kind of shaken by Edward's manipulation of the situation in that scene, when he brings up the engagement. It sort of bothered me because between that scene and the invitation sending at the end, I was worried and became...suspicious, I guess you could say, of Edward's true motives. Was he being manipulative to his own ends? Or did he he have good intentions? Then, a few nights later, I dreamed that I was at a book signing, (which I had actually been at one, yet I didn't get to ask SM, in reality, about Edward's actions) and I asked SM about Edward's manipulation v. Jake's manipulation and in the Dream Stephenie Meyer pointed out that Jake manipulates situations by using Bella to hurt Edward(***although let me say that this was before the FAQ's came out and SM described how Jake was being sincere in that he only wanted to save Bella's life) like with the kiss, whereas Edward fights back in ways that don't use Bella (though that isn't taking into account the time that Edward kissed Bella quite passionately in front of Jake, or when he breathed on her before Jake came over). Anyways, I just kind of thought that was interesting.

Moving on.
NoWorries wrote:Even if it's not the absolute last means by which Bedward can have their happily ever after, I still want Bella changed. I would be hopelessly disappointed by human Bella + Edward
Me too!!! While I'm not so sure immortality is what I would choose for myself, it's what I want for Bella. And the Edward becomes Human? HA! People complain because the didn't see the Jake and Bella thing coming, imagine how everyone would react to Edward becoming Human!!!! (Though...it might almost be worth it if that were to happen and we got to see Jake's reaction. *evil grin* What? Jake said so himself: Bella deserves someone human...and what's more human than a non-vampire, non-werewolf boy?)
No Worries wrote:As far as TW/NM/EC, and where I could happily have ended the story, I'll re-state that yes, I would have been happy with just TW. But if NM had to exist, I'd still be happy with the story ending there. I would emphatically NOT be happy with an EC end for the series, however, because while I thought it brought Bedward to a good place, I'm still a bit raw and a bit worried. And since I've just been dragged through all the muck, I believe that I should be allowed to wallow in the wedding.
Again, I know what you mean. Every time I see someone reading Eclipse at school I get this really anxious feeling. Does anyone else know the feeling I'm talking about? Like, it's a mix of anxiety and dread. I suppose it's because, while I can understand why the events of Eclipse were necessary, and while I can appreciate the complexity that they brought to the story, and while I know that these events were (in my opinion) the best way to ensure that Bella is absolutely making the best choice...I still don't have to like them. But then, I'm just not a fan of love triangles period. Although I differ in the fact that I wouldn't have been happy had the series ended at New Moon. There just wasn't enough closure for me there. Although Edward was back, it felt like that was about the only piece of the plot that was resolved by the end. I was desperate for fanfiction to tide me over until Eclipse came out after I finished NM. No. If SM wasn't going to write BD, then I would prefer that she had ended after Twilight. Ending after any other book would have left me like "What the heck?! It's over?! :shock: "
LisaCullenAZ wrote:If the mess with Jacob had happened somewhere in the middle of Eclipse, and then there was more time to digest it... and more time at the end of the book to resolve it and be reassured that Bella was happy with her choice... and solid in her choice? I wonder if less people would have felt like throwing their books across the room.
You know...I think this is what would have dispelled a lot of the anxiety. One chapter of normalcy between B/E at the end of the book wasn't enough for me, I think. There was too much angst...I needed more happiness....

And now...I should go. This post has gotten extremely long, so sorry about that. But there was a lot to comment on!!! :shock:
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It's scarring the beautiful ones
It's holding your loved ones
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Post by llovetwilight » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:02 pm

December wrote: having come as it were to the last turning of the road, would he wish it never begun, for Bella's sake? Now that he knows exactly how happy a human future Jake and Bella might have had together, if he had only continued to ignore her for the rest of the year.... I'd love to hear people's thoughts about either of these questions.
Somehow I think that he would still do the "selfish" thing and stay in her world, even with the dangers, if he had to do it all over.

The leaving in NM was essentially Edward's attempt at leaving Bella to the "Jakes' of the world, to have a normal life. He was trying to do what was right by her by taking himself out of the equation. But we know that it was nearly impossible for him to be away from her and that he was ready to come back, begging for forgiveness before the whole cliff-diving thing, which says to me that he would rather have her, even with the consequences.

And then in Ec... He sees the pain that Bella goes through when she finally gives up Jake (and humanity)... All of that pain was worth it to her as long as she got to be with him. If anything, I would think (hope?!) that seeing Bella agonize over that decision and go ahead with it anyways would prove to him that he did the right thing by breaking the rules in TW.
I'm really glad Edward didn't kill you. Everything's so much more fun with you around."- Emmett to Bella, EC

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Post by llovetwilight » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:11 am

Pretty Words wrote: I dreamed that I was at a book signing, (which I had actually been at one, yet I didn't get to ask SM, in reality, about Edward's actions) and I asked SM about Edward's manipulation v. Jake's manipulation and in the Dream Stephenie Meyer pointed out that Jake manipulates situations by using Bella to hurt Edward(***although let me say that this was before the FAQ's came out and SM described how Jake was being sincere in that he only wanted to save Bella's life) like with the kiss, whereas Edward fights back in ways that don't use Bella (though that isn't taking into account the time that Edward kissed Bella quite passionately in front of Jake, or when he breathed on her before Jake came over). Anyways, I just kind of thought that was interesting.
Interesting dream!!!

Have you noticed that when there is a question of intention (with any character) SM almost always answers that the character was being sincere and on the up-and-up? Like the Jake incident you mentioned above, and the invitation sending by Edward at the end of EC. Even Bella putting herself in the middle of a love triangle was not done wickedly. I think that when in doubt about a character's motivation, we are pretty safe in assuming that the intentions stem from a good place. Well, except for maybe Jane! :D Her intentions seem a little on the shady side!!!
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Post by December » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:57 pm

Roman proverb:
De minimis non curat lex

The law (or lex) doesn't fuss about the small fry...

Thank you everyone!
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Post by indi » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:10 pm

December wrote:Roman proverb:
De minimis non curat lex

The law (or lex) doesn't fuss about the small fry...

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Post by Pretty Words » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:05 am

yay! The boards are open again! :D
"It's testing the strong ones
It's scarring the beautiful ones
It's holding your loved ones
one last time"
-"Testing The Strong Ones"
by Copeland

"My hands were gripping his arms, pulling myself tighter to him, my mouth glued to his and answering every unspoken question his asked."
-Eclipse

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Post by chica_chilena » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:08 am

Hey, guys, just wanted to remind you that we're in the "Latin Challenge" thread, and therefore we need to stick to the Latin :) So give me some latin! :lol:

And remember to try staying away from one-liners :wink:
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Post by December » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:56 am

O Tempora, O Mores -- Cicero
(O the Times, O the Morals...).


Ante omnia nos omnes opportet epistolas nostras legere!
(It behooves us all to read our letters before anything else!....).


You know, there's a limit to how long a post it's feasible to write in Latin.

(Please Indi, don't take that as a challenge!...(grins)).
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Post by LisaCullenAZ » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:05 am

Ante omnia nos omnes opportet epistolas nostras legere!
(It behooves us all to read our letters before anything else!....).
Mmm. Very good advice.
You know, there's a limit to how long a post it's feasible to write in Latin.
I saw this and thought it ironic.

Lectio brevior lectio potior - The shortest reading is the more probable reading
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Post by llovetwilight » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:39 pm

Mihi ignosce. smile homine de cane debeo congredi -
(Excuse me. I've got to see a man about a dog)

So the first thing that came to mind when I read this quote is when Bella calls Edward after she punched Jake?!

Why are all of my quotes lately about Jake? :shock:
PrettyWords wrote:While I'm not so sure immortality is what I would choose for myself, it's what I want for Bella.
I wanted to comment on this before the Lex went down...

Isn't it interesting how we see the situation differently when considering who is effected?

I don't think that I would necessarily want immortality either. Even SM has said that she is not as brave as Bella when asked if she would want to be a vampire. But for Bella, it makes perfect sense! I would actually be a little sad if she didn't turn...
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