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Has your opinion of Jacob changed since reading Eclipse?

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Post by firefly »

This way lies madness, but...

Chaos wrote:I love Edward, and I would rather see Bella with him than with Jacob and that statement is now making me to believe that Jacob will do something that will make her love him more on the side of relationship than friend.

Liking Jacob and wanting him with Bella are two separate things. Just because the reader falls for him (or Meyer has written something in to make readers fall for him*) doesn't necessarily mean Bella will, in a romantic sense, anyway.

*Sounds awfully similar to Joss writing in a scene in BtVS: "Innocence" to get viewers to fall in love with Oz.

INNOCENCE wrote:Oz: Sometimes when I'm sitting in class, you know, I'm not thinking about class, 'cause that would never happen. I think about kissing you, and it's like everything stops. It's like freeze frame. Willow kissage.... Oh, I'm not going to kiss you.
Willow: What? But... freeze frame!
Oz: Well, to the casual observer, it would appear that you're trying to make your friend Xander jealous, or even the score, or something. And that's on the empty side. See, in my fantasy, when I'm kissing you, you're kissing me. It's okay, I can wait.


I predict Meyer's scene(s) will work as well as it did with Oz; i.e., it'll make some people love him, some love him more, some indifferent and others hate him more/just as much as they did before.

ECABS wrote:why don't we all just post the single thing that Jacob could do to make us love him, or love him more than we already do...

He could be shown to be a ginormous dork. Seriously. All the best demon hunters are: Angel, Wesley, Dean, Scott, Logan... Or evil. Unrepentant, unconflicted and joyfully evil. In leather pants. Crazy (and barefoot) can be pretty hot too.

Why does everyone think Jacob's heroism or whatever has to come in the form of the ultimate sacrifice?
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firefly wrote:Why does everyone think Jacob's heroism or whatever has to come in the form of the ultimate sacrifice?


I don't think it will necessarily be in the form of ultimate sacrifice. I just think it will have to be something huge considering the whole 'lets see if anyone can hate Jacob after Eclipse' comment because a lot of people hate Jacob and it will take a lot to win them over.
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Post by aurinko »

Why people don't like Jacob? Who's sweet and funny and best friend girl could have?

I don't like Jacob because he would have kissed Bella if Edward hadn't called just in time. No one but Edward is allowed to kiss Bella! Mark my words.

And after all "Bella and Edward are made for each other. They are in most deepest form of love anyone could be. They can't survive without each other." from Stephenie, you guys think that something could come between them AGAIN? I mean hasn't Stephenie said somewhere that Newmoon was the darkest time? That for now on Edward and Bella will stick together and face the world together? I'm not personally afraid that Jacob will come between them. That would just cause EVERYONE to hate Jacob. Stephenie loves Edward. We all do. He's the love of Bella's (and ours...) life. Jake is the best friend.

Now if Stephenie says that "lets see if anyone can hate Jacob after Eclipse", that just makes me HAPPY. I mean I don't want to hate Jacob! He is good guy! He just almost kissed Bella and that's WRONG. W-R-O-N-G!!

If he stops trying to come between Bella and Edward and keeps being Bella's friend, then I'll like him.

So that's what will happen, right? :D

(What's that stupid "single word" thing? How can I make it go away??)
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White Shadow wrote:
firefly wrote:Why does everyone think Jacob's heroism or whatever has to come in the form of the ultimate sacrifice?


I don't think it will necessarily be in the form of ultimate sacrifice. I just think it will have to be something huge considering the whole 'lets see if anyone can hate Jacob after Eclipse' comment because a lot of people hate Jacob and it will take a lot to win them over.


Yeah, what she said. :wink: I like Jacob, I really do. I just don't like him with Bella, and I agree with firefly that it's a difference there. I really think he's sweet and everything, but some parts in New Moon stopped me from going all the way to loving him. Not as much as Edward, that will never happen. But moving on from the liking-stage.

Also, I really don't think Jacob's going to die, but I've said that in my other post. As for what sacrifice he'll do (cus I think a sacrifice must be done), I agree with White Shadow that it dosn't have to be anything big! But it will be something, and I'm really happy about that. Cus Jacob's a great guy, and doesn't deserve to be hated.

aurinko: that's one great post! Kudos to you!
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White Shadow wrote:
firefly wrote:Why does everyone think Jacob's heroism or whatever has to come in the form of the ultimate sacrifice?


I don't think it will necessarily be in the form of ultimate sacrifice. I just think it will have to be something huge considering the whole 'lets see if anyone can hate Jacob after Eclipse' comment because a lot of people hate Jacob and it will take a lot to win them over.



I agree. not that I don't already like jacob...i do. but ifhe were to sacrifice himself for Bella, I would seriously love him! It would be sad, but it is one thing that would make me love him even more.

ok, I just had another thought: maybe it doesn't even have to be that drastic... what if jacob were to accept the fact that Edward is the only way that Bella can be truly happy, no matter how much it hurts him. and then he does something to help them out for example (and this is really out there, so bare with me):

Bella was turned into a vampire(althoughI don't thing this is likely to happen in eclipse-my opinion) and there is a fight between the werewolves and the vampires. So they are about to kill Edward , Bella can't do anything about it, Jacob sees the look on her face, blah blah blah.. and he desides to betray the werewolves for the sake of Bella's happiness. - okay I know that's not too likely to happen, but something along those lines.

and aurinko- your post makes me really happy, you make some really good points that I never really thought of. but you are completely right!
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aurinko wrote:He just almost kissed Bella and that's WRONG.

Ah, fandom... There is no reasoning with emotion, is there?

That's almost the way I feel about someone getting in between Logan/Scott, House/Wilson, Dean/Sam. :wink: Not necessarily about kissing (or incestuous relations with regard to Dean/Sam), but about a certain sort of closeness or codependency. (Too much) Possessiveness in particular characters is not such a bad thing 8) , but in fandom...

On the other hand, I personally don't have a problem with Jacob kissing - or almost kissing - Bella, so long as it serves a purpose in the story. Which I think it did. And may again, if the story calls for it.

(What's that stupid "single word" thing? How can I make it go away??)

It's to prevent 'net-speak. The letters Rr or Uu by itself (such as when you spell out words containing said letters) will turn into that highly obnoxious phrase to try to discourage its use; the filter is not sensitive enough to discern between net-speak and abbreviations.
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firefly wrote: It's to prevent 'net-speak. The letters Rr or Uu by itself (such as when you spell out words containing said letters) will turn into that highly obnoxious phrase to try to discourage its use; the filter is not sensitive enough to discern between net-speak and abbreviations.


Oh, okay! Thanks. And thanks to you, Kissa, too. :)
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I'm sticking to my firm belief that Jacob and Bella will not end up together. The story is about a Human Girl falling in love with a Vampire. Jacob wasn't even originally intended to be that big of a character. It says so on Stephenie's site:

Jacob's development into a major character was a strange journey. Originally, Jacob was just a device. In Twilight, Bella needed a way to find out the truth about Edward, and the conveniently located Quileute Tribe, with all their fantastic legends, provided a cool option for that revelation. And so Jacob was born'"born to tell Bella and Edward's secret.


Sure, over time he grew and became a main character. But if he wasn't intended to have any real place in the story (other than to tell Edward's secret to Bella), why would he eventually take Edward's place? That just makes no sense to me.

So I'm going to remain pigheaded and believe that Jacob and Bella = Never. :)
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jesseh wrote:Sure, over time he grew and became a main character. But if he wasn't intended to have any real place in the story (other than to tell Edward's secret to Bella), why would he eventually take Edward's place? That just makes no sense to me.

Well, Spike was originally supposed to be a one-shot deal, and look what happened there :wink: . Sometimes these things have a mind of their own.
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Post by Verdande »

I don't think Bella will end up with Jacob, reading about her feelings in New Moon I think she'll stay with Edward.

About Jacob dying: When I read that one of the chapters in New Moon was called Funeral, I was sure Jacob would die. If he died it would solve the conflict where Bella has to stand between Edward and Jacob. I knew Edward would return in New Moon, so there would have to be a solution to that problem. I have no idea if he dies or not now, maybe, maybe not. It would be sad if he died, but I usually like sad books.
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