Does Edward understnd?

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Does Edward understand Bella's pain?

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Post by Aleakim91 »

Forks wrote: Am I right???
I think so.
IMO, the only one who knows how Bella felt(exactly) was Bella.
Edward can read Bella's thoughts, so he can't just try and understand... He knows a little. Because of Bella said(or didn't say) to him and what he "saw" in people's mind. Jacob, Charlie, Alice, the people of Forks... Everyone knew Bella's pain, but they didn't understand the full lenght of it.
Remember that Bella tried to protect others(specially Jacob) of her pain. She hid most of it when she was with others**.

Yes, Edward was apart from her. He knew a lot of what she felt, but it wasn't the same. He left for her own good. He could comfort him thinking she had a dangerless life(even if she didn't). He could always come back. Another comforting thing.

But Bella was left alone with her father to take care of, she thought the love of her life didn't want her anymore, that she was worth it(So low self-esteem is not good), Edward's family left her too. Her best-friend and sister, her old brother, Esme...
She missed them too. And then the threat to her life and werewolfs! As if she didn't have enough.
It hurts to think about it.

So what I say that even if he understands (almost) better than anyone, he can't know or understand it completely.

**I'm not thinking about her first week, though.
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Post by boycrazee0512 »

HECK NOOOOOO! Edward does not know what kind of despair he has placed us in... wait, I mean Bella, not us fangirls. Well, we were depressed too, but mainly Bella was. When Edward left Bella, it was like she was dying and since Edward is already "dead" he can't possibly know what leaving Bella felt like to her!
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boycrazee0512 wrote:HECK NOOOOOO! Edward does not know what kind of despair he has placed us in... wait, I mean Bella, not us fangirls. Well, we were depressed too, but mainly Bella was. When Edward left Bella, it was like she was dying and since Edward is already "dead" he can't possibly know what leaving Bella felt like to her!
Edward knows what it felt like to her, because he experienced it, too. He described his time away as a piece of himself missing, and he was falling apart inside. He was just as desperate as she was, obviously, because he intended to hand himself to the Volturi! What he doesn't, and can never fully understand, is the extent of Bella's damage. In fact, Jacob and Charlie might have been able to see the effects of what happened, but no one but Bella knows what a torturous place her mind was during those months. I think Edward can understand better than anyone though, if he tries to parallel his experience with Bella's. Though, like I've said before, he thinks his pain was worse (even though he knows Bella was in a LOT of pain), because he think he loves her more. And then Bella thinks her pain was worse, because she thinks SHE loves HIM more. :roll:
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Post by KatieTheFish »

Edward doesn't understand how much he means to Bella, or thats how we see it through Bella's eyes. Edward is a vampire, his every sense is magnified 100 times over. Does this include emotions? He also spends most of his time surrounded by teenagers at high school, being able to hear their every thought and lets be honest, what he hears is going to be something like "Oh my god, he is such a hottie, I wonder if still going out with that girl from french class, Mary said that Jane said that she overheard him say to Jim that he thinks I'm cute" or something to that extent of shallowness. So thats his impression of humans and although he knows Bella is different to the likes of Jessica and Lauren, he has no idea how different and they are the closest thing to judge her by. I think e is starting to understand a biy more, but maybe Bella doesn't love him as much as he loves her, simply because she is human and just doesn't have the capacity to love that strongly. I don't know whether that makes sense but anyhow..
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Post by Isabel »

LunarEc;ipse wrote:Wait, whoa, whoa. Hold on, remember when Edward described how he was basically writhing, and barely able to hold on to himself. He was worse than Bella! Bella at least, held on to some humanity and still went on for Charlie, and her grades, Edward just shriveled up, and gave up living. If anyone read "Rosalie's News" (The phone call where Rosalie told Edward that Bella had died), he described how bad he was, just lying there, taking life a day at a time. I think Edward did (and still does) understand Bella's pain, he went through some too!

I agree, and I was just about to mention that when I read your post.

But I think that different people feel pain differently, so though he can understand that she was in a LOT of pain, he cant understand EXACTLY what that pain felt like.
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*so_jealous_of_bella* wrote:
LunarEc;ipse wrote:Wait, whoa, whoa. Hold on, remember when Edward described how he was basically writhing, and barely able to hold on to himself. He was worse than Bella! Bella at least, held on to some humanity and still went on for Charlie, and her grades, Edward just shriveled up, and gave up living. If anyone read "Rosalie's News" (The phone call where Rosalie told Edward that Bella had died), he described how bad he was, just lying there, taking life a day at a time. I think Edward did (and still does) understand Bella's pain, he went through some too!
but remember, edward could have easily come back whenever he felt like it, he knew bella would take him back.

but imagine if charlie wasn't there........

i think bella would have broke down worse than edward because she truely thought her soulmate did not love her anymore.

where edward at least knew that bella would always love him and would take him back.

i think edward went through lots of pain, don't get me wrong, but it was self inflicted. i don't think he understands the pain bella went through.

but, then again you can say the same for bella.
But then again, he didn't know if Bella would take him back or not. For all he knew, she could've completely moved on and forgot about him. Sure, he could have always come back, but I think it caused him more pain to know that there was a chance, if he came back, that she would be in love with someone else. But Bella I'm sure felt the same way, knowing that he probably was off with some other vampire now. So, I think they experienced the same type of pain, the kind that makes you want to crawl in a corner and just stay there (which is what Edward did), but I think they simply expressed it in different ways: Bella trying her best to do everyday activities while carrying all the pain with her, while Edward just stopped trying.
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Post by Moonflower »

Although I'm sure Bella was worried about Edward falling in love I'm sure not nearly as worried as Edward, because remember, once vampires fall in love they never fall out of love and never fall in love again. Sure, Bella might not have been sure, but Edward especially had reason to worry, since Bella's only human.
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Moonflower wrote:Although I'm sure Bella was worried about Edward falling in love I'm sure not nearly as worried as Edward, because remember, once vampires fall in love they never fall out of love and never fall in love again. Sure, Bella might not have been sure, but Edward especially had reason to worry, since Bella's only human.
I'm fairly certain that Bella was just as worried as Edward was. Does Bella see Edward as a vampire who will only fall in love once? No, she sees him as a male who could quite possible be seduced by three sisters up in Alaska. She is just as insecure as any other teenage girl in a relationship. I don't think she sees Edward that way.
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this is solely what i think:
Bella and Edward felt different pains, because of different-ish reasons. This is because while Edward did have a lot of pain, I think he knew in the back of his head that he HAD that option. That Bella really did love him. But Edward hasn't had his epiphany (i.e. bella's convo in the woods) yet, hasn't realized the extent of her feelings. Remember in the first chapter of Eclipse: 'do you know how much i love you? have you any concept of all of what you meant to me?' 'i know how much i love [/i]you.' 'you compare one small tree to the entire forest.'
at the end of eclipse, i still think he hadn't realized her true feelings, all the way to the bottom. she's human, but a very strange human. he doesn't quite seem to grasp that's she not exactly like any old human, to its fullest extent. if he knew that completely, he wouldn't want her to live a normal human life.
my point is that bella had equal pain as Edward for totally different reasons. Bella loves him exactly as much as he loves her, and Edward loves her in the same way. but Edward's pain was probably a bit less, don't attack me! he describes the pain to jacob as 'almost bearable' and in no way was it like that for bella. bella just reacted differently because she people depending on her, like charlie, to function. edward's family is independent of him, except in the way all families depend on each other. but esme and carlisle and emmett and the gang didn't need him to cook, clean, and he didn't have to worry about any sort of future- if he hadn't been going back to her, he could have just stayed in a ball the whole time and nobody would bother him. (well, esme maybe, but she knew she wouldn't be able to force him to go back to her.)
so that's my long story extra long. thoughts?
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Post by deb0lah x EC »

I think he could see the pain she was in. And he knew that she was in pain. But I don't think he knew what that pain felt like. In New Moon, I am pretty sure they went through the same kind of pain. But Edward has never been in the situation where he was given up for someone else. He wouldn't know that pain unless Bella had chosen Jacob. I don't think that because he isn't human that he doesn't have feelings. I think that his feelings are extremely intensified.
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