SM/DND The Jacob Effect

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Post by edwardian.16 » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:05 am

Kementari wrote:
But most importantly, she continually emphasises that her characters have, in a way, written themselves. I think despite her feelings for Jacob/Edward, she'll finish out the series in a way that matches the characters' personalities and needs. As an author who feels so strongly about maintaining her characters' personal... character integrity?... I would hope that SM not get carried away by preference.
I agree with you Kementari. Her characters tell their own story and i sincerely hope she doesn't let preference have too much of an influence on BD.

I think definitely, Stephenie's growing love of Jacob has had an effect on most of her books - particularly Eclipse, in that it was obvious that Stephenie felt a tad sympathetic towards Jacob.
Honestly, I feel more comfortable placing her Jacob love in a personality preference kind of catergory. You know - SM loves Jacob for his endearing 16-year-old ways, while I appreciate Jacob as a... plot device (total team Edward, here, hee hee).
I'm here with you on this one too! Team Edward here... but honestly, i think Stephenie's love of all her "children" has had some sort of an influence - even just the slightest bit - in the series.
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Post by xox.Tegan.xox » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:46 am

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Post by x.Cazz » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:31 am

Stephenie did say that Jacob would play a large role in Breaking Dawn, despite the Epilogue of Eclipse.
Her liking towards Jacob could result in him imprinting, thus finding a new girl.
The problem is whether it would be a major contribution to the overall plot.
Even though her preference for Jacob showed in Eclipse, I don't think these feelings would interfere too much with the outcome of Breaking Dawn.
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Post by LisaCullenAZ » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:14 am

i would be sad if he was unhappy too, but by "no disney ending" i mean that he doesn't need to go through the motions of imprinting and finding a new girl to have an appropriate happy ending. i mean, he can be perfectly happy and still be single by the end of the book. not to say that he'll be single forever, just by the end of the book. later in future books i can see him developing a new love interest. i guess that just stems from my huge pet peeve that all leftover characters from a love triangle/square/etc. must find their own love interest by the end, which isn't really necessary.
ethereal_eternity, I see what you're saying. I agree. As long as he is okay and not sick over Bella anymore, I can be happy even if he doesn't imprint. Sort of ;) It would help me sleep in night if I knew he was "with" somebody, just so my heart doesn't hurt for him anymore. But if he's happy - even if he's single - then I will be okay with that.



Visitor, your theory is excrutiatingly painful to read. :lol:
But who knows . . . maybe she's getting us acclimated to the idea of Jacob as the 2nd narrator in BD (this would please me).
I really think this ^ is it. Really really.

But I also wonder if she's just... saddened by all the anti-Jacob sentiment and trying to even the weight a bit by putting herself on his side of the teeter-totter. Does that make sense? She just feels sorry for him, maybe.

I know she doesn't expect us all to love Jacob just because she does. But I think she is hurt to read some of the more animated comments against him. Let me be clear: There are lots of people - many of my lex friends, and Visitor you're included ;) - that may dislike him but say so without being hurtful and without using mindless bashing. (Thanks, guys!)

And I really think it's this bashing that has turned SM into such a Jacob lover. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
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Post by I_always_loved_vampires:) » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:00 pm

I don't think that the bashing has anything to do with why SM loves Jacob (okay, maybe a tiny little bit, but not much) but I think x.Cazz is right. Stephenie will do what works; what makes the plot make sense. Jacob love or no.
The interference of her feelings for him will be, in my opinion, practically nonexistent. She is not going to give Jacob a happy ending just for the sake of giving him one...if it fits the story, then that's awesome. If not, she isn't going to try and make it work.
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Post by plainpaper2 » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:28 pm

I do believe that, as someone said before, that Jacob's narration at the end of Eclipse is leading up to him being the second narrator of BD. He will probably narrate the first part of the book, seen as how he narrated the last part of Eclipse. I wouldn't mind that, I like Jacob (I'm team Edward), and I want to know the rest of his story, as much as I want to know the rest of Bella and Edward's.

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Post by Kementari » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:35 pm

plainpaper2 wrote:I do believe that, as someone said before, that Jacob's narration at the end of Eclipse is leading up to him being the second narrator of BD. He will probably narrate the first part of the book, seen as how he narrated the last part of Eclipse. I wouldn't mind that, I like Jacob (I'm team Edward), and I want to know the rest of his story, as much as I want to know the rest of Bella and Edward's.
I agree, plainpaper2. I can see Jacob introducing, at the very least, Breaking Dawn. Perhaps only the Prologue?

I also agree with everyone on this, too - Jacob's story needs to be told, just like B&E, and I'm sure SM will not neglect him in any way :)
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Post by Visitor » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:44 pm

LisaCullenAZ wrote:Visitor, your theory is excrutiatingly painful to read. :lol:
Sorry about that Lisa :oops: . I tend to have a very mercenary way of viewing things sometimes. Of course, I'm sure you know that by now. :wink:

But I think you have all made great points! I agree that some of SM's Jacob support came as a direct result of his less than favorable splash into the TW fandom based on NM (in which, I actually adored him). But now, that overwhelming dislike for his character has sort of dimmed down. At least to the point where I feel that Jacob and Edward are now pretty much neck and neck in the 'Whose team are you on?' polls. So while I do agree that SM's original public response to Jacob's character originated as a form of defense, it has sense evolved into something else entirely. So much so that it no longer feels like she's making a defense, it feels like she's making a declaration. She even made a point once in a Q&A of telling the audience that even her Publicist (or somebody of like stature) was totally Team Jacob. And just like in the previous examples I gave, I can't help but look pass the statement itself and focus more on why the statement (and others like it) were made. But there is no sense in rehashing my theory on that.

In the end, I actually have a lot of faith that SM will tell the story that she wants to tell. Let's face it, if she's bold enough to make public declarations of her overwhelming love of Jacob in the face of possible fan criticism, then she's more than bold enough to write BD with a Jacob/Bella outcome if that is how she honestly believed the story should go. And if I were to let go of my wet blanket thinking for a second, I would be honest and say that I don't actually see SM going in that direction with the story. I actually agree with the majority of you, no matter how much she loves Jacob, I don't think that we were introduced to B&E and were given three wonderful stories about their not-of-this-world love, just to see it all go down the proverbial drain. Well, that's my opinion at least.
LisaCullenAZ wrote:There are lots of people - many of my lex friends, and Visitor you're included ;) - that may dislike him but say so without being hurtful and without using mindless bashing. (Thanks, guys!)
Oh, and Lisa . . . let the record reflect that I do not 'dislike' Jacob. Ok . . . well, maybe I do. A little. But it's not in a permanent sort of way, it's more of a husband-who-bought-me-a-vacuum cleaner-for-Christmas sort of way 8) . I'm confidant that my . . .umm . . . displeasure will soon fade and that Jacob and I will go back to the way things were between us in NM. So instead of saying 'dislike', let's just say that Jake and I are on a Ross & Rachel style break! Mk? :lol:
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Post by LisaCullenAZ » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:49 pm

WE WERE ON A BREAK!!!!!! :lol:

I gotcha, Visitor. I know whatcha mean. But I'll tell you: I am holding tightly to this tonight so that I may sleep soundly:
I would be honest and say that I don't actually see SM going in that direction with the story. I actually agree with the majority of you, no matter how much she loves Jacob, I don't think that we were introduced to B&E and were given three wonderful stories about their not-of-this-world love, just to see it all go down the proverbial drain.
That's better than a nice warm fuzzy blanket, that is. :D
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