Fun Despite the Depth! TUGPM Take Three

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Tennyo? Happy Birthday. May I ask a new question? It's a little hypothetical so if you want to say no to it is okay.

Okay a couple of days ago on one of the very wonderful adult threads (I think it was Heavenly Hash but I get them confused) someone suggested that Alec's power could be erasing memories. Although I don't think that is true I was thinking about it today (insomnia is fun). I first refuted the idea by to myself that if it was his power, why wouldn't he erase poor Jane's awful memories of being burned at the stake? Wouldn't he want to heal his twin who he must love? Then I started thinking about Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and the philosophy of it as it presents a similar question.

So my question is this Say Alec could erase (bad) memories, should he erase Jane's? Would you want your bad memories erased?

I thought it was better for this thread in that it touches on moral choices, personal choice, and identity. Hope people enjoy.
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Do you all mind if I change the question? In Eclipse, Bella and Edward have taken a step forward in their relationship. They both have soldified their choice in marriage, however, I'm not sure they are marrying for the same reason. Then I got to thinking as to why people marry in the first place. What is the purpose of marriage? Is the tension between Edward and Bella stand on marriage because they see/value it differently? What do you all think?

ETA: Sorry, I didn't see ouisa's post. She must have posted while I was trying to formulate a question. Feel free to ignore this one.
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Theank you Ouisa! Love the banner!

Since Ouisa posted first, I think the question goes. Cullengirl, the question you asked was discussed on the last thread, but if the thread has a question shortage, I'm sure we can reuse!'

Say Alec could erase (bad) memories, should he erase Jane's? Would you want your bad memories erased?


Should he erase Jane's...I'm not sure his powers would work on her!
As for me, perhaps I've been blessed with a lack of truly terrible memories, but absolutely not. I think that a loss of the harder things would make me far less compassionate and probably change my character significantly. We are defined by the worst just as much as we are defined by he best.

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Post by Variety »

Funny, this thread stays quiet for days, then 2 questions get posed at the exact same time.

Say Alec could erase (bad) memories, should he erase Jane's? Would you want your bad memories erased?

No, I don't think he should and I don't think anyone should. Even bad memories and experiences make up who we are. They shape our personality, our decisions, and our beliefs. And I think that would be a little bit "playing God".

And, it's Tennyo's birthday? Happy Birthday! Lots of wishes and yummy cake. Just don't get a paper cut opening presents.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TENNYO....

We've picked a really cheerful subject for your birthday, haven't we?

Myself, I think it depends entirely on whether we are talking about ordinary bad memories or really horrific ones. I would agree with Variety that "even bad memories and experiences make up who we are. They shape our personality, our decisions, and our beliefs." Grief, despair, guilt, humiliation, even serious traumas all play an essential part in shaping us, making us stronger, helping us to know ourselves -- and to understand other people! It's difficult (though not impossible) for someone who has never suffered to help others in pain.

HOWEVER...I think there are some horrendous experiences which are too scarring. No possible benefit could be worth having to live with those kind of memories, if there were any possibility of having them taken away from you. Yes, you might get over the experience, and even be made stronger by it -- but the psychological damage done is permanent. I rather think that being burnt at the stake is one of those experiences.

Certainly, on the evidence, it hasn't done much for Jane....
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Tennyo wrote: Since Ouisa posted first, I think the question goes. Cullengirl, the question you asked was discussed on the last thread, but if the thread has a question shortage, I'm sure we can reuse!'

Say Alec could erase (bad) memories, should he erase Jane's? Would you want your bad memories erased?
Tennyo- HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Regarding the question, no problem. The more I thought about it, I wanted to ask another question. Could I re-do the question after this one is done? :?

It depends on whether or not he is asking her first or does it without her knowledge. Jane must be given a choice. Does she choose which memories to erase?

On the whole though, I agree with everyone else that erasing bad memories is wrong, because you are depleting yourself from bad experiences that make you who you are.

However, it does relieve one from hanging on to the past. Say for instance it was Rosalie instead of Jane, then I would be more likely to say that it's ok since he had a tramatic experience that has affected her all of her "life". Would Rosalie be different if her bad memories are erased?

I guess I'm more intrested in why ouisa picked Jane instead of the other characters. Didn't they grew up together in both their mortal and immortal lives.

I'm suprised Alycone hasn't responded yet. :wink:
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TENNYO! (Love that banner Ouisa.)

Interesting question Ouisa.

Say Alec could erase (bad) memories, should he erase Jane's? Would you want your bad memories erased?

I'd agree with several people so far that it's the good and bad that create who we are.

It was interesting to me because when I tried to think of my own bad memories I immediately thought of physically painful things (like childbirth, surgery, etc). Although now that so much time has passed since those events I don't really remember just how intense the pain was at the time.

December made a good point too though. Some horrific memories (more psychological) seem to really serve no purpose in our overall development. In that case though, I'd like to see the person (not Alec) make that choice.
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Happy birthday, Tennyo!

Say Alec could erase (bad) memories, should he erase Jane's? Would you want your bad memories erased?

This is a good question. My first instinct is to say, "Yes, I would want my bad memories erased." But, the more I think about it, I realize that I wouldn't want to have them taken away because they define who I am. Sure, there are things I want to change about myself, but my core person, I like. I guess what I would want Alec to do is to help me understand, cope, and deal with my bad memories not take them away.
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Tennyo, Happy B-day my friend!

The older I've gotten the more I've come to appreciate the difficult times in my life. Are there memories I think I would like erased - sure. I've been through some really nasty stuff in my time. But then again, those are some of the events in my life that I have learned the most from. I don't think that I would sacrifice that.

If life were always easy and safe we would not appreciate the good times when they come. We would be insensitive to others when they are in times of need or hurt because we would have no understanding or concept of what they were dealing with. In short, we would be selfish and self-centered.

In the long run, we benefit from the pain in our lives more that are hindered by it provided we deal with it effectively.
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Happy B-Day, Tennyo!

Okay, I second HeartSong (and many others) on this one.
The older I've gotten the more I've come to appreciate the difficult times in my life. Are there memories I think I would like erased - sure. I've been through some really nasty stuff in my time. But then again, those are some of the events in my life that I have learned the most from. I don't think that I would sacrifice that.


And what I love is how this applies to the events in New Moon. Horrible, painful stuff. Sure. But important? Yes. And effective? Absolutely.
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