Fun Despite the Depth! TUGPM Take Three

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So let's change this up a little bit. Would vampires want to sleep or cry if they were given the opportunity.

We know that they are highly emotional creatures. Would having these long lost abilities tie them back in closer with their lost humanity or would it potentially make them more volatile than they already are?

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Well, my first gut reaction is to say "yes" because of how sad Edward sounded when he told Bella he wasn't able to sleep. But after I think about this a little more I may see it differently... not sure yet.
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I think in a purely aesthetic and entertainment sense, vampires would want to sleep. Have something to do and not be bored all the time. And dream, I'm sure they're interested in that. On the other hand, I do have the feeling that if Edward had the chance to sleep he'd probably freak out at the time he wasn't able to be aware and on guard for danger.

It actually makes sense that way; that vampires are so solitary and don't need sleep-they don't have to trust that someone else will watch out for them while they're out.

If a vampire were to suddenly turn human, I think it would be a terrible shock as far as sleeping goes. Suddenly losing a third of your conscious life? And if you've forgotten what it's like to dream, it would probably terrify you and make you scared to sleep at all...

As for crying...I'm not sure. The only difference for humans and vampires is the actual liquid expelled. I'm all for metaphorically comparing the lack of tears to a lack of expelling grief, but physically I'm not sure what the use would be.

Unless of course things often get stuck in vampire eyes.
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Tennyo wrote:If a vampire were to suddenly turn human, I think it would be a terrible shock as far as sleeping goes. Suddenly losing a third of your conscious life? And if you've forgotten what it's like to dream, it would probably terrify you and make you scared to sleep at all...
Not to mention that they have a first-hand knowledge of all the horrible, horrible things that go on at night-time. When the sun sets, all sorts of scary things come out to play! I see what you mean about Edward turning down sleep in favour of standing guard, especially after Bella's trials & suffering in TW/NM/EC.

I think Rosalie would try it, to see if it got rid of those awful bags under her eyes. ;) I can picture Emmett trying it out, just for the novelty (like you said). I don't see vampires sleeping otherwise '" why bite the hand that feeds, so to speak? If I could stay awake all the time and still maintain good mental & physical health, I know I would. Then again, I don't possess immortality.

As for the crying ... so crying would be a voluntary reaction? Or involuntary, if they chose it to be so? If it was voluntary, I think it might be viewed as pretentious, then, for a vampire to cry. (Does that make sense? I can't think of the words to explain that point. Sorry.)
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Heart Song wrote:So let's change this up a little bit. Would vampires want to sleep or cry if they were given the opportunity.
Hmm...I think it would depend on the vampire and their personality. I think Alice would be too bubbly and can't lay still and Edward might be afraid to sleep because he won't be on guard as much.

It might change their routine. If they would dream, they could possibly think of their victims during their non-veg days or they might get a glimmer of their human life.

Let me roll this over a little more.
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Tennyo wrote:I think in a purely aesthetic and entertainment sense, vampires would want to sleep. Have something to do and not be bored all the time.
This was the first thought that popped into my head when I read the question...

Aside from Carlisle, none of the Cullens have jobs. At least the hospital takes up a good deal of his time. I would think that the ability to sleep/dream would be appealing to them after decades of being alert and awake every moment of every day...

Although, as you point out, the need to sleep would be very inconvenient for them when they are in the middle of dealing with dangerous situations.
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In the more traditional Vampire stories, the need to sleep in a coffin in the dark is always the vampire's greatest weakness. I think that although the oblivion of sleep might hold some appeal, I can't see any of Stephenie's vampires choosing to be off guard for that length of time. Alice especially would lose access to her visions and they could all be in potential danger, especially if [as was just pointed out] they actually needed sleep once more.
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The desire to sleep depends on the vamp in question.

Edward is fascinated by sleep. If he weren't he would not have spent so much time watching Bella. He started doing this long before there was any threat to her life so it did not start out with the intent to protect her. That came later.

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Bella says: "Sleeping in coffins?"
"Myth." He hesitated for a moment, and and peculiar tone entered his voice. "I can't sleep."
It took me a minute to absorb that. "At all?"
"Never," he said, his voice nearly inaudible. He turned to look at me with a wistful expression.
IMO, Edward would welcome the chance to escape the realities of waking life.

Carlisle has found the inability to sleep to be an asset. He can continue to care for his patients without fatigue getting in the way.

Alice doesn't seem to miss sleep either. She is too busy trying to make up for the lack of human memories.
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amontilado wrote:
In the more traditional Vampire stories, the need to sleep in a coffin in the dark is always the vampire's greatest weakness. I think that although the oblivion of sleep might hold some appeal, I can't see any of Stephenie's vampires choosing to be off guard for that length of time. Alice especially would lose access to her visions and they could all be in potential danger, especially if [as was just pointed out] they actually needed sleep once more.
So, not needing to sleep could be a strength, instead of a weakness. I can accept that better. I mean, yeah, life could get boring, but there's so much out there that they could do. I wish I didn't have to sleep. To me, it seems like such a waste of time, especially when I have so much to do (like staying up till 4:00 am to sew my daughter's baptism dress). Plus, if I lived in the Twilight universe, I'd feel very vulnerable if I had to go to sleep.
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Post by Variety »

If no one else has more comments, I have another topic -

Another discussion had me thinking about the reality that the Cullen's are vampires. Edward thinks of himself as a monster. Bella doesn't believe him, or doesn't care. My train of thought was too long to follow, but I came up with the question:

Is Bella too forgiving? Is there anything wrong with being too forgiving?

Another example is that when she realizes that Jacob is a werewolf, the only thing she is upset about is that (she thinks) he and his pack are killers.
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