LisaCullenAZ wrote:Sasha, are you really saying that Jake kissing Bella without permission is not as bad as Edward signing her college apps for her? Just to make sure I understand correctly...
No. I'm just saying it is different. But I wouldn't say it is any worse, either.
I'm not saying Edward is being controlling by making Bella go to Dartmouth. He is being controlling by forging her signature. Whether she gets a choice later on is beside the point.
Also - how do we know Edward signed those papers? How do we know he wasn't yanking her chain just to get a rise out of her? We don't know that anymore than we know he bribed the school. Though I'm not doubting the possibility.
I believe it says in Eclipse somewhere that Bella got an acceptance letter from them. Not sure where, though.
And second of all. When Edward said, "I sign your name better than you do yourself." Does Bella say, "No Edward, I don't want you to do that. It's forgery!" Nope. She just starts talking about how the whole thing is a farse anyway...since she's planning to be a vampire by then. She doesn't seem that concerned about it.
Does that mean it is not wrong?
What I mean is, we are holding Edward and the Cullens to human standards and human laws. They are not human! I hate to bring Harry Potter into it, but it's sort of like the centaur herd in Book 5. They don't recognize or adhere to wizarding law. Because they are not wizards.
And so the centaurs live in the middle of the Forbidden Forest, *not* in the middle of London, or even Little Whinging. The Cullens choose to live in human society. That is a *choice*. With it come some consequences, including, IMO, the responcibility to adhere to as many laws as they can. Granted they can't follow them all. But I think they should try not to break laws for the sake of breaking laws.
So I guess what I'm saying is that I, personally, think the Cullens *should* be held to human morals and laws.
That's Vampires! Our views are incredibly narrow compared to the 100, 200, 300, and even 400 years of experience these vampires have on us. They see us like pathetic little children. Our philosophical musings are likely ridiculously trivial to them.
Which, to me, makes vampires seem incredibly stuck up. Why are they so much more important than the guy whose car they stole? Or the family who live off the money they make at the ballet studio? Or the other people who don't have the money to pay off the guard so they can drive around forbidden streets? If this is the way the Cullens think (and I agree that it probably is) I find it extremely condescending. Just like it is condescending of the parents to ignore (or worse... laugh at) their child's tantrum. Just because it does not matter to them does not mean it does not matter.
By joining the Cullens and their way of life, Bella is agreeing to a whole world of possible "immoral" practices. She asked for it. Knowing well beforehand what they do and what rules they overlook. I don't see that she cares at all.
Some immoral practices that the Cullens partake in are necessary. Some are not. I think the line is very blurred for some of them. Maybe they need to look over their limits again.