Eclipse was okay...

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Post by Klutzy_albino »

Almost EVERYTHING you said, is a mirror image of what I was thinking, ECABS

I did however, walk away with a more positive image of Edward, (not that my image was negative before, just that I may be even more hoplessly addicted to the thought of him.)

I want to like Eclipse so badly it hurts, and I did like the book....some of it just hurt a little, and left me confused and sad. I liked the resolution, however of chapter 27, but i am glad that it doesn't have to end with that.

To be fair, I think I built Eclipse up to....God like status.....(if that sort of makes sense) and there is no way any book could meet such impossible standards. I need to read it again. For sure.
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ECABS wrote:I think the most disappointing thing was that I expected everything that happened in Eclipse to happen...there were no surprises for me...I almost feel that considering Stephenie's desire to have a happy ending that BD is mostly laid out and there will be no surprises in that book either...
Yeah. It was a very enjoyable book, but not, IMO, all that deep or dark or hard-hitting with any of the emotions (or not to the point I was expecting). Almost too easy, all around re resolutions, even with all the love triangle shenanigans (really, they should just be an OT3!), which feels like a set up for A Midsummer Night's Dream/Breaking Dawn.

Heh. Your thoughts are much more organized than mine. :D

Also, Jacob is made of awesome.
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The start of the book was really great for me, I enjoyed it so much.

But after that, things went downhill, with one major cause: Jacob.

Now, I'm wasn't a hater of Jacob. He was really a sweet guy that turned things around for Bella when she really needed help.

But, I felt like I was reading a story that wasn't Stephenie's at all. What happened to sweet Jacob and the Bella that was different from the rest of the teenage population?

Jacob had transformed from caring to smart-alecky and jerk like? He was sarcastic and always seemed to upset Bella.

And when he kissed her, lord, I thought I was reading one of those bad, really out of character fanfictions where Jacob rapes Bella and she ends up hiding from Edward and then becomes pregnant.

Can you imagine the New Moon Jacob trying to force Bella, even after she's said no? No.

What happened to Bella? It seemed so horrible, all she seemed to think about was having sex with Edward, every single time he was with her. The desire was there in Twilight, but it wasn't so overplayed where Bella only agrees to marry Edward after he says he'll sleep with her before she's turned. And then, she thinks how the engagement (to her soul mate, mind you!) will affect her social status. Not Bella at all.

And once Jacob kissed Bella, I got somewhat excited that we'd get to see Bella finally stand up to Jacob. But after she breaks her knuckle, she seems perfectly fine with the situation, that everything was normal. I mean, I gasped when I read Jacob's kiss, because he was being so strong and forceful. But now, she was completely casual about it, nonchalantly talking with Jacob and Charlie about who knows what.

And when Edward came over, I was expecting a showdown. Nope, just a warning. And a polite wave goodbye as Bella cowered behind Edward, sticking her tongue out. Very in character. Not.

And the whole thing with Edward watching Jacob and Bella sleep in a sleeping bag together while Jacob made jerky remarks like "You'll be warmer if you took you're clothes off." Edward just sat there. La dee da. La dee da.

Jacob ruined the book, and Bella seems so much different.

Sigh.

And lord, does anyone else think this was just a filler? What major things happened...Bella chooses Edward of Jacob (which she had already done unknowingly.) and Victoria dies.

How long was this book, 640 pages? I just felt like this book had no point, that the other two books were shorter, but captured more emotion in a shorter amount of time. This book just felt like a trashy fanfiction or soap opera.

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Post by Merei »

Visitor wrote:
~isabellacullen~ wrote:Visitor,

Do you think then that in the next installment, it will just be more of Bella trying to decide between the two?
Good gravy I hope not!! But sadly, that's the impression I was left with. I'm growing weary of the whole love triangle thing though. But Eclipse has taught me that Bella really is indecisive. And not nearly as grown-up as I thought she was. Personally, until she redeems herself, I can't really trust her decisions.
I havent read it yet [bad me, reading spoilers! >=(] but I must say, this seems very interesting. It shows that Bella has real character, and doesent want to dump Jacob without considering it from every angle. It also shows Jacobs resolve and determination to win Bella [even though I very much hate Jacob, I want him gone and lotsa Edward fluff]
It shows the trials and errors of a real teenagers life, and what she would feel if she loved two people. It happens. I loved one friend very much, and then another friend came who I loved as well. I eventually figured out my love for the first friend was more of a brotherly love, though.
I think this is a vital part to show how Bella isnt just a girl who would follow the hot guy blindly.

Though dont listen to me, I havent read Eclipse yet! o.o I could completely do a 360 and change my mind about this. When I manage to get my hands on it, Ill tell yalls if I feel differently.

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Firefly...okay...I don't know about more organized, but yours are certainly more detailed! LOL! I've been waiting a week to write something up for my LJ...I'll have to really concentrate and right up ALL my gripes...my list of 10 were only the most obvious ones in my mind...UGH...I really hate that...I swear I wanted to love this book...:(

Jake was pretty amazing in this book...but that is one of the things that threw me off...he was REALLY REALLY confident and sure of himself...and his character shift was more acceptable then the changes I saw in Edward and more importantly Bella...

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So - for the most part, those of you posting in here where it's supposed to be the "I thought Eclispe was okay" discussion are actually more on the "I hated it side of things." Or am I misreading all the hate here?

That's sad for me that you all feel so badly about these characters and that "nothing happened" in the story. I think getting engaged, having to choose your boyfried over your best friend, all while fighting off a newborn vampire attack led while avoiding the Volturi is quite a bit of something.

But I do understand your take on the fan fiction thing. I had the same experience with OotP. I had read SO MUCH fan fiction that when I got OotP I couldn't stop feeling like I've read fan fiction better than the book. But for Eclipse I had the opposite happen to me. Since I read Eclipse ages ago, I haven't been able to read much fan fiction simply becasue nothing anyone wrote was better than the original for me.

Still, I'm sorry you guys didn't like it. And I do think you should move your posts over to the "I hated it" thread because so far that's what I'm getting from nearly everyone here.
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And lord, does anyone else think this was just a filler? What major things happened...Bella chooses Edward of Jacob (which she had already done unknowingly.) and Victoria dies.

How long was this book, 640 pages? I just felt like this book had no point, that the other two books were shorter, but captured more emotion in a shorter amount of time. This book just felt like a trashy fanfiction or soap opera.
Indeed. That's exactly what I felt. IMO Eclipse wasn't the conclusion of a trilogy it should have been but a 'filler'.

Re-Relationships. Count me in the Disappointed camp.

I'm not too fond of the 'woman torn between two lovers' plot but I can understand it and its appeal to many readers. The problem with Eclipse is that I *couldn't* understand where this plot came from. Bella spent 2 and a half book thinking of and obsessing over only Edward and placing Jacob firmly in the 'friend' category.

It's all very good to want to have a character 'choose' True Love but you have to set up the situation for it. I don't think it was done here. As it is, Bella's "I'm in love with Jacob" came totally out of the blue. The seeds should have been planted in New Moon but they weren't. I just couldn't buy that Bella was in love with Jacob. And the way everything was crammed and rushed in the last hundred pages didn't help at all. As mentioned above, the book is over 640 pages long, but they weren't used to their full potential.

Visitor said it very well:
But now, I just don't know how I should feel about the series based on the events in Eclipse. Bella and Edward are NOT the couple I thought they were.
That's true for me. But I'd go even further, at the risk of being yelled at: The love triangle in Eclipse made absolutely no sense to me (on Bella's part), and neither did the changes in the characterization mentioned by some posters already (most noticeably Jacob's and Bella's). As such it doesn't feel like Eclipse is the continuation of Twilight or even New Moon to me. It doesn't feel as if an arc had been pre-determined and then played out over the three books. It felt as is Eclipse broke away from the first two books.

So yes, I'm extremely disappointed. I really wanted to love Eclipse but I simply couldn't. Twilight is still a favorite and will remain so but that's it. I can't wait to read Midnight Sun though, I think it can be even better than Twilight.
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Post by NoWorries »

Ok, so I'm a spoilerfiend -- my book comes tomorrow.

But I'm just sticking a toe into this thread, because after reading all the many things that have been posted -- including in all the various "pro" threads -- I am very honestly DREADING reading this book. Right now I can say I'll read it because I feel like I have to, but the comments I've seen make me think that there have been such absurd character shifts as to entirely negate the reasons behind my Twilight-lust. I was in it for the amazing characters, all this time. And I will be extraordinarily peeved if, after all this, I don't think I can trust the storyteller or the characters.

To a reasonable extent, I felt like there was the teensiest shift in character tone in NM -- not in actions: they NEVER did anything I wouldn't expect of them, but in the manner in which their stories were relayed by Bella. I'm fearful that Eclipse is going to be more of the same, to the n'th.

I have every plan to be objective (I promise I still can be, really) but I'm also willing to be totally honest about it, too. If it's BS, I'm calling it.

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Post by ECABS »

I personally can't move over to the "I hate Eclipse" thread because I don't know if I do... I'm disappointed yes, but hate is a strong word...and there were some great moments...

And I'd like to point out that I bought the e-book and I have ordered 3 hardcopies...so...I think as a fan I'm doing my fangirl duty of going nuts over the book, even though I'm not quite feeling it yet...

I'm hoping when my hardcopies come, my sisters and I will read Eclipse and hopefully I will feel differently about it...

The fanfiction really did ruin it for me....but I was soooo desperate for more Cullen/Swan/Black goodness that I just HAD to read it...

I have problems with Eclipse...but I don't HATE Eclipse and I'm trying to find my way through all these "issues". I came here thinking either someone would make me see differently or...well let's not think about that at the moment!

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Post by Monsoon »

Alphie wrote:So - for the most part, those of you posting in here where it's supposed to be the "I thought Eclispe was okay" discussion are actually more on the "I hated it side of things." Or am I misreading all the hate here?

That's sad for me that you all feel so badly about these characters and that "nothing happened" in the story. I think getting engaged, having to choose your boyfried over your best friend, all while fighting off a newborn vampire attack led while avoiding the Volturi is quite a bit of something.

But I do understand your take on the fan fiction thing. I had the same experience with OotP. I had read SO MUCH fan fiction that when I got OotP I couldn't stop feeling like I've read fan fiction better than the book. But for Eclipse I had the opposite happen to me. Since I read Eclipse ages ago, I haven't been able to read much fan fiction simply becasue nothing anyone wrote was better than the original for me.

Still, I'm sorry you guys didn't like it. And I do think you should move your posts over to the "I hated it" thread because so far that's what I'm getting from nearly everyone here.
I think the reason that most people are posting here rather than at the "I hated it" thread is because they really don't want to admit that they did since we are so in love with the books, while I am getting that vibe, along with my own string of thoughts.

The reason I posted here is because the beginning of the book was incredible for me, and this is probably the best thing Stephenie has ever written. While I don't agree with the way Jacob and Bella developed as characters, it was still excellent writing, and I also really enjoyed reading about Edward and the rest of the Cullens, though I was greatly saddened by the lack of role that Emmett, Carlisle and Esme held, as somebody stated earlier.
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