Eclipse was okay...

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Post by Nico »

Alphie wrote: I'm not sure if I would trust someone who fell in love and married the first person who came along that attracted them. She did consider the options, and she chose Edward.
That's true. I always find it a bit strange when people go in a marriage without any experience and without considering other options. It can work of course, but its also very likely that someone will sooner or later think that they missed something in their life and when they try to make up for it it usually doesn't end well for the relationship.

I also think that Jacob is a symbol for Bella's mortality, while choosing Edward means choosing imortality.
And as long as she considers Jacob she clings to her mortality and just isn't ready yet to leave her old life behind.

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I'm sorry if this has been posted already...I don't have enough time to read through the way i should, I just skimmed.

it seems to me the main "problems" people are finding with Eclipse are that Edward was to...forgiving. And, the whole Bella loves Jake thing.

I agree to an extent with the first. Edward did seem very ok with everything and this being his first real relationship I feel like his emotions should have been a little bit more uncontrolled when it came to the scene after the B&E kiss. He even spoke about how jelousy was so much stronger than he ever thought it would be in Twilight, remember? I dunno...I guess i would just really really really like to see this book from E's perspective...just to get into his head. I'm thinking maybe he appeared more controlled for the sake of Bella...everything he does is always for the sake of Bella.

As far as the whole B&J relationship...I'm torn. I really kind of feel like it was needed...just like Edward leaving in New Moon. It was something that HAD to happen before Bella could really come to grips with forever. She had to know that she had other options and that Edward is still what she wants/needs...you know, like there had to be another choice before Bella could actually see that there is NO other choice.

...Just my 2 cents...I'm really enjoying seeing the point of view of others!!!
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Post by blushing_rose »

Stephenie said in an interview that Twilight was about finding true love New Moon, about losing true love, and Eclipse was aboutchoosing true love, and that's what she did when she cose Edward over Jake.

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Post by evermoreimmortal »

To the above--that's very true. I liked the book--I just didn't like the feeling of it, I guessed. Perhaps it's Bella whom I'm starting to dislike--as someone earlier said, she sounds so mean. I dunno....it was a good book, but it hasn't really left me in that same dreamlike state that I was in after reading Twilight and New Moon.
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Post by Klutzy_albino »

Im not going to say that I didn't love Eclipse....My mind is so jumbled right now, that I really can't begin to process an absolute. I will post my opinion on here however just to be safe.

I want to start off by saying that really, it is not fair to Eclipse....I waited so long, and built it up so much in my mind, that it may have been impossible to compare.....after the golden aura I have placed around it fades, I may be able to better look at the situation.
There were a few things that bothered me, however. The Biggest being Bella, kissing Jake, and Bella's marrying Edward, minus any real enthusiasm.

I just felt so betrayed when Bella kissed Jake back. I am trying to understand what Bella is going through, but my head can't wrap around the concept, to were it makes total sense. I know that The three relationships are completely different from what I might consider the norm, but still, that small jealous part of my mind says, Bella has something so good in front of her, why can't she just take it at that. I know that Edward is such a good person, but it really hurt me, when he responded with sooo much calm love.....he didn't even sound upset, although I know he was. It was almost painful to read that part, knowing what they were both going through.

Bella's lack of enthusiasm towards marriage sort of bothers me, just because I don't understand, and because I think that she should have taken into consideration what Edward said.......I know that they will be together, but it just feels so wrong that she would marry him just out of duty. (Although, seeing how happy Edward was.....was a very good thing, so I guess I can empathize a little)

I think that I will read it a few more times, and then make my final choice.
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Post by candyland »

I don't think that Bella finally agreed to marry Edward just out of duty. I posted this on another thread, but I think that the whole conversation regarding Edward's feelings on marriage (about their souls and virtue) was a turning point in the book. Those are his beliefs, his standards if you will! I think Bella realized just how important it was to him and why. Honestly, considering that she is all ready to give up her virginity, mortality and eternity to him - withholding on the marriage issue is more than petty.

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Post by Klutzy_albino »

I can't say that I would see it as petty completely..... I know that Edward would not want her to marry him, if she didn't think she was ready...he said so actually. I'm just going by how I interpreted Bella's thoughts. If it was up to me, I would have had her marry Edward back in New Moon. I am just hopless I suppose, when I was thinking of their marriage, I wanted them both to be so happy, and excited about it. I just don't get that from Bella. I think that she is still really confused. I know that she loves Edward, I know that they will be together, and I think that she is working her way toward being ready, and she may even be now, but I still think that she was trying to please others......That's what she said, over and over, and I guess that Bella is just got a selfless side to her. (sorry to state the obvious)
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Edward calls her on the whole "trying to please others" issue (and I'm glad he did). And he gave her an out to the whole marriage - which she didn't take - for two reasons I think/hope. One, I hope that Edward's reasons for wanting to marry are starting to make sense to her and secondly - she is willing to do something for someone else. She's got him ready to change her against his will, she could give him something in return. I'm hoping the second reason isn't the biggest one, because I also would like to see her excited about marriage to Edward. Maybe we're agreeing here....

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Post by Klutzy_albino »

I see where you are going with it. I just want it to be perfect...unrealistic, I know, but any doubt of the marriage, just makes me think that they should wait. I think that Edward does "deserve"Bella.....and I always thought that Bella deserved Edward, and I still do, but my resolve on the matter wavered for the first time during this book.
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Let me preface this by saying, I do not want to be posting this...I really want to love Eclipse...bet there are some major issues for me. If I really didn't like the book, I wouldn't be here wasting my time complaining about the things that bothered me, instead I'm hoping being here will change my mind...because I really really want to love this book.

Some of the issues with this book start from the fact that I got to heavily into fanfictions and that ruined the book for me, a bit, I think. As well as the fact that I read the book on August 1st in e-book format. Only intensifying the whole fanfiction feel of it, because I had to read it on my laptop. If I could do it again, I'd suck it up and wait a week for the hardcopy so I could hold it in my hands.

I think that I really need to re-read the book because I did read it in one night almost and so it was a really fast read, and I was super tired...so I'm patiently waiting for my hardcopies. And I'd like to make it clear that I love Stephenie Meyer and I respect her tremendously for many reasons...Twilight and New Moon were amazing books, and I hope that after reading Eclipse again I might change my mind.

Here is my INITIAL response to Eclipse and where I think it fell short. I'll try and start with the small and minor issues and work my way down:

1. Where is Emmett, Carlisle and Esme? I felt like they weren't even there...they each had only a few lines it seems...In any case, I really missed them...I wish there would have been more Emmett - for sure.

2. When Edward puts Bella's bike in the back of the Volvo...umm...yeah...so not possible! The bike would be too big to fit and even if it did fit, the gas would leak out of it and alll over the trunk of the car. Not an ideal way to transport a motorcycle...but this is a small issue, mostly just an annoying one.

3. the mood of the book...it's just...I don't know. It felt like a really bad teenibopper soap opera. In many ways it seemed like the characters had changed ("grown") but they seemed really immature...

4. Between New Moon and Eclipse very little time passes, but it felt as if we missed so much of the thought process of these characters because they seem so different...I think Bella surprised me the most for a number of reasons.

5. I understand that Bella had a choice to make, but along the way she seemed so...I want to say b*$#*, but I'll say that she was CRUEL...which brings me to my next point...

6. She accepts Edwards proposal grudingly and then realizes she's in love with Jacob and then what seems like a chapter later, realizes she must chose Edward. WHAT? What the heck is going on?? I don't have a problem with where the characters ended up...it's the process that has me confused...Eclipse is 641 pages but it seems like so much is missing...I think if Bella had realized a little earlier in the book that she's IN love with Jake, and then worked out her feelings, it would make more sense, to me...

7. At the end when she agrees to marry Edward with the whole wedding ceremony and dress, and all that...it seems more like she is a 1900's bride, saying yes to a suitor her parents have chosen for her, and making the best out of the situation - it was just weird for me...and I felt bad for Edward...

8. Edward...at first he seemed like the overprotective controlling Edward that Tennyo (a member on this site) rants about! I was thinking oh my, Tennyo is going to flip out when she reads this...then Edward goes all soft...I could almost call him a weakling...and then by the end I think maybe it was his strategy all along...but I can't be really sure. Again it makes me feel like we are missing SOO much... And this bothers me because immediately I thought, "when Stephenie puts up the extras/out takes it'll make more sense" But that's the thing, readers shouldn't be wondering about some of these crucial things...as a reader I should understand the important essential things from the book - not from extras found on the authors site or from delving through fan sites like the Lexicon...And I know for a fact that many funny and interesting things have been revealed to me through those two mediums for Twilight and New Moon...but in Eclipse I think many of the essential things are missing...

9. The "battle" was really anitclimatic for me...at first it seemd like a big deal and something to worry about, then everyone was like, "oh it's going to be fine, some one will probably not even get much action." Then it flips to "oh no...this is serious, someone might die" and then again, back to "no worries" And it just keeps going back and forth like that and by the end...the fight happens, and it's hardly a big deal...I was waiting for something to happen after that...and then when I read that Jane is there...I thought this is it...which brings me to point 10

10. The Volturi show up.

That's it...Jane shows up with Demetri and that's it...nothing...barely a warning and then they're gone. I don't know about you guys, but in my mind it just seemed so odd that since the Volturi were there they would have done more than just say hello to Edward and his family...strange...the end was really really strange...

11. Jacob narrating the epilogue...I just read today somewhere on the boards that BD would be narrated by two characters...I didn't know that! I thought the book after BD was going to be like that IF Stephenie continued...I'm a little weary as to how that's going to turn out. I keep wondering what else Jake can do than what he's already done...I can only imagine the Jake situation in BD to be a repetition of Eclipse and that's really disappointing.


I think the most disappointing thing was that I expected everything that happened in Eclipse to happen...there were no surprises for me...I almost feel that considering Stephenie's desire to have a happy ending that BD is mostly laid out and there will be no surprises in that book either...

There were a few other things...but I seem to have lost my train of thought. Someone is probably going to want me shot or something, but if any of you really know me, you know how dedicated I've been to Stephenie and the series, so please don't hurt me :D I'm hoping talking about these things will somehow change my mind....

Thanks for reading my ramble...

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