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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:20 pm
by DefyxGravity
ashley_nicole00 wrote:I have very mixed feelings with imprinting.

When Bella asks Jacob about Claire and Quil, she asks "doesn't Claire have a choice?"
and Jacob replies that she does, but it's hard to resist that amount of adoration and commitment.

I think that is weird, because if that were the case, Bella would be equally in love with Edward and Jacob, as they both love her unconditionally.

But at the same time, I see where Jacob is coming from with her being the perfect match, that they would be soulmates.
I guess I feel badly for Leah Clearwater about the Sam/Emily happenings.
however, Jacob never imprinted on Bella, so theyre not really 'soul mates'...theyre just in love. Which is unfortunate because they cant do anything about it since Bellas affections for Edward are so much stronger than hers for Jacob.

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:07 am
by Gabbie
Imprinting I wouldn't consider as 'love' entirely.
Yes,it is love,to an extent. However it doesnt really have to be the same love between two people that are IN love. For me,it's just that the werewolf watches over the person,and protects them,kind of like a guardian. Sure it can evolve into them being 'in' love,but initially,I don't think it's that..especially because it's one sided at the beginning.
When Jacob says that it's "hard to resist that amount of adoration and commitment" kind of implies that the imprintee is forced-for lack of a better word- into falling in love with the imprinter.
Imprinting completly misses the part where they get to know eachother and fall in love the normal way,which is another reason why I wouldn't consider it love.
I don't think it really works out for either person,Jacob even says that they all fear that they're going to be the next one. It's like an arranged marriage,in a way,I suppose. No one wants to have their fate unwillingly decided for them.

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:19 am
by amontilado
It is possible that when Jacob says they "all" fear being the next one that he is projecting his own feelings onto everybody else...we know that he fears it because he doesn't want anything to take away his devotion to Bella....although I can see a teenager boy fearing that he will imprint on a toddler!

Re: Imprinting....As good as human love?

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:28 am
by jurgienicole
December wrote:Is imprinting as good as ordinary human love? For the imprinter? For the imprintee?

Does it undermine the worth of love if you have no say about it? Does it make a relationship stronger -- or less meaningful -- if there is no possibility that the imprinter will ever fall out of love?

How would you feel about either imprinting or being imprinted on?

What do you think Stephenie wants us to think about imprinting?


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I have mixed emotions about it really... i do think its as good in a way but i don't also... i think you really have no choice you just fall in love... and thats pretty cool except for the one being imprinted on... it might be confusing... think about it... this person is in love with you from the moment they layed their eyes on you and you find them charming.... what would you do? also In jacob's case it isn't fair because he loves Bella and doesnt' want to love anyone else...So its a good-bad thing

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:22 pm
by cataclysm
DefyxGravity wrote:snip

however, Jacob never imprinted on Bella, so theyre not really 'soul mates'...theyre just in love. Which is unfortunate because they cant do anything about it since Bellas affections for Edward are so much stronger than hers for Jacob.
No, Jacob and Bella are not just in love. They are soulmates. It's even mentioned in the book. But like you said, her connection to Edward is stronger.

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:54 pm
by cataclysm
Is imprinting as good as ordinary human love? For the imprinter? For the imprintee?

I think it is as good as 'ordinary' human love. I'm assuming (in the context of the Twilight universe) that the imprinter/imprintee are a 'perfect' match. I think vampires have an equivalent process. Once they find their mate, they mate for life. So, I don't think the imprinting process is any less valid.

Does it undermine the worth of love if you have no say about it? Does it make a relationship stronger -- or less meaningful -- if there is no possibility that the imprinter will ever fall out of love?
I guess it may be like a chicken/egg scenario, i.e., I love you because I found you vs I found you because I love you. It doesn't matter. The feeling does. I think that in some ways it would make a relationship stronger b/c the imprintee at least knows that they don't have to worry about the imprinter's devotion. Knowing that can make a person less guarded/more trusting. It could also give the imprintee the idea that they could do anything they want (cheat) and get away with it. However, as written, I think the imprinter/imprintee relationship is dynamic. That is, assuming the imprinter becomes whatever the imprintee needs, if the imprintee starts acting like an @#$hole, the imprinter's behavior may change in such a way to discourage that behavior.

How would you feel about either imprinting or being imprinted on?
I don't know. The devotion/adoration would be flattering and make me feel secure. However, I also hope it would inspire me to try to take care of the person who imprinted on me as well as they would take care of me.

What do you think Stephenie wants us to think about imprinting? Bella described Sam/Emily as being utterly right for eachother, so it must be good in some ways. I don't think she's advocating that it's the only way to fall in love or the best way to fall in love. It works though.

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:50 pm
by diamond encrusted
cataclysm wrote:
DefyxGravity wrote:snip

however, Jacob never imprinted on Bella, so theyre not really 'soul mates'...theyre just in love. Which is unfortunate because they cant do anything about it since Bellas affections for Edward are so much stronger than hers for Jacob.
No, Jacob and Bella are not just in love. They are soulmates. It's even mentioned in the book. But like you said, her connection to Edward is stronger.
I've said this before but i don't know where...in a world without vampires and werewolves, they would be together, they are soulmates, but there ARE vampires and werewolves...and Edward IS 100+ years old...

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:24 pm
by whitequeen@heart
i think imprinting is just as good as ordinary love. in my opinion, love is love and all manifestations of it are equally good.the *method* of imprinting may not be the most desirable in that the imprinter will have no choice about who they will imprint upon but at least they would have the security of knowing that the imprintee is the perfect match. also, the fact that the imprinter is everything the imprintee needs and will never fall out of love gives the relationship a reliability that many others don'y have. Some have mentioned that because the imprnter won't fll out of love that the imprintee can cheat without consequence. /my view is that if the imprinter is everything they need, why would they cheat? i know that if i was imprinted upon, i might be skeptical (and maybe a bit creeped out) at first, but once things were explained, I like to think I would be happy with it. Overall, I think SM wanted to cast it in a positive light.

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:09 am
by pinker dinker
I think that imprinting is just as good as falling in love cause, as jacob said in Eclipse "it's hard to ignore that level of comitment" I think that it is good.

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:46 am
by MegFairy
This is almost a side note, but I figured that it would be most applicable here. It turns out that for wolves imprinting is a natural thing. I was reading online about the training and care for wolfdogs and a site said that it was important to have more than one human caring for the animal to prevent imprinting on one person. Thought it was interesting enough to share.
Of course, the "wolves" in this case are in a very different predicament all together.
amontilado

It is possible that when Jacob says they "all" fear being the next one that he is projecting his own feelings onto everybody else...we know that he fears it because he doesn't want anything to take away his devotion to Bella....although I can see a teenager boy fearing that he will imprint on a toddler!
I can definitely see that being the case. How frustrating would that be to Jake if he were to imprint on someone. I'm sure he would worry that Bella would feel that his feelings for her were in some way lacking. Even though that would not mean that at all and I'm sure Bella would understand the difference, I know it would bother me were I in Jake's position. However, it seems to me that most of the pack is not particularly emotionally involved with someone. (It never talks about another girlfriend in the crowd, not to say that absolutely means that one does not exist.) But, if you didn't love someone already I think it would be a really happy thing to have two people who are perfect for each other to be together.
That being said, some people's arguments about the unfortunate position the imprintee finds themselves in is starting to shake my resolve. :?