Imprinting....As good as human love?

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Ouisa and I were discussing this very topic last night. After reading both her post and LisaCullen's, I feel just as torn about what side I am on. Now, when I first started talking to Ouisa about it, I said "what's so wrong with imprinting? It's a powerful and beautiful love, who wouldn't want it?" THEN she reminded me about the suffering of Leah due to Sam's imprinting. Oh, I said. Excellent point. A lot of this issue really goes back to a few basic questions: do we believe that love and fate bring us to the person we should be with? And if there is no free will or choice in the matter, can this love be accepted, since it is the only 'true' one?

First, I think we all can attest to believing in fate. I know I do. I am a spirited individual with my own very strong opinions. However, I know that when I met my husband, it was absolutely fate. The roundabout turn of events, the way we SHOULD have met each other years prior, but it must have not been the right time then, how a job in Indianapolis opened for him when he was living in Dallas, just after meeting me. To me, imprinting is the stronger version of fate. It is what was meant to be. There are so many beautiful and horrific and amazing and sad things that happen to all of us, and yes, I believe most of them happen for a reason.

That being said, once fate has stepped in, is that it? That's the one person ever and always that is meant to be? This is where fate and imprinting part, in my opinion. The romantic in me says yes, imprinting and fate and happily ever afters are all of that and a bag of chips. But in reality, as people change and grow, perhaps the perfect person for them once is not the perfect person for them later. And thank goodness for the right to choose! I would not want anyone I loved to have to stay in a relationship that did not make them happy (my parents are a perfect example) but with imprinting, it is the happily ever after, isn't it? I mean, they are perfect for each other always. I am for the personal choice absolutely, when it can be bad for the people involved, but as time goes on with imprinting, it's really not bad for either one of them, by definition, is it? It can't be. They were meant for each other and will never grow apart. In that way, I just can't see it as a bad thing. The little girl deep in this 39 year old heart will always want the first true love to live happily ever after!
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Fun! New topic!

For me, the most beautiful parts of love is the falling... the slow, gradual process in which two people get to know and love each other. You fall in love with the person because of their personality, their quirks, their laugh. That process is the most amazing thing in the world... and imprinting completely destroys it.

Besides, imprinting destroys more than it builds, or that is how it seems. Look at Sam and Leah and how much pain that caused. And what about the psychological problems poor Quil and Claire are bound to have? I mean, the shrink costs alone...
What do you think Stephenie wants us to think about imprinting?
That it's a shiny plot device? And she seems to get a kick out of Quil/Claire, too.

And, I'm sorry, but I really can't help it... Ouisa, you think maybe Jake might have imprinted on Bella? ;)
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Sasha wrote:Fun! New topic!

For me, the most beautiful parts of love is the falling... the slow, gradual process in which two people get to know and love each other. You fall in love with the person because of their personality, their quirks, their laugh. That process is the most amazing thing in the world... and imprinting completely destroys it.

Besides, imprinting destroys more than it builds, or that is how it seems. Look at Sam and Leah and how much pain that caused. And what about the psychological problems poor Quil and Claire are bound to have? I mean, the shrink costs alone...
What do you think Stephenie wants us to think about imprinting?
That it's a shiny plot device? And she seems to get a kick out of Quil/Claire, too.

And, I'm sorry, but I really can't help it... Ouisa, you think maybe Jake might have imprinted on Bella? ;)
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Ok, Sasha, you are making me re-think everything I posted. Yes, I too love the falling in love part, the getting to know and love them part, the 'oh that is the cutest thing ever' part. Do you really think that is obliterated with imprinting? Wouldn't you still have those feeling?

And "the shrink costs alone?" That was brilliant!

Ouisa, get out your squishing flip flop, sasha is SO asking for it! *mutters, Jacob imprinting on Bella, sheesh* :wink:
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I think imprinting is just as good if not better than ordinary human love. The level of the feelings and emotions involved is much higher than that of a human relationship. For the imprintee I imgaine it would be wonderful. After reading books like Twilight human relationships don't seem to be quite enough so who wouldn't want to be imprinted on?

In a way I think of imprinting kind of as destiny. It's like god's way of gicing us the helping hand to the person you're meant to be with. Like Jared didn't notice Kim until he imprinted on her, yet she was probably who he was meant to be with. It's like you're being given a nudge in the right direction.

In a way imprinting does undermine the worth of love. I guess you would want to have a say in who you fell in love with but with imprinting that's difficult to get. I think imprinting makes a relationship stronger beacause there's like an invisible pull to each other and that seems like a really strong kind of love.

How would I feel about imprinting? I guess in a way I wouldn't like it because you don't choose who you imprint on. Like with Sam, he couldn't help imprinting on Emily, it just happened that way. I like the idea of being imprinted on. I would love to have some tie to the mythical world! As Jake says "It's hard to resist that level of adoration" or something. I would like to feel like that.

I'm not trying to offend anyone with my views, this is just my opinion on imprinting. :D
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somethingblue wrote: Ok, Sasha, you are making me re-think everything I posted. Yes, I too love the falling in love part, the getting to know and love them part, the 'oh that is the cutest thing ever' part. Do you really think that is obliterated with imprinting? Wouldn't you still have those feeling?
The way I understand imprinting is you look at someone and WOAH. You're in love. You still get to know the person, but it's almost like it doesn't matter.
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somethingblue wrote:
Sasha wrote:Yes, I too love the falling in love part, the getting to know and love them part, the 'oh that is the cutest thing ever' part. Do you really think that is obliterated with imprinting? Wouldn't you still have those feeling?
Sure you could still experience that! One of my favorite songs in Fiddler on the Roof is about how they didn't know each other when they got married but now they're in love. You still have the opportunity to get to know the other person and love their quirks and such.

I'm with Lisa in thinking that imprinting allows the couple to avoid being stupid and ruining the relationship they have with "the one." Yes, there is chance for it to cause trouble a la Sam-Emily-Leah. But that is only one of the four instances we know of. (Sam, Jared, Quil, Taka Aki. PLEASE correct me if these are incorrect.) I guess I'm just trying to rationalize the idea by saying that so far this terrible situation only happens 25% of the time. :?

I see so many good things about absolute true love!
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Well, you can't really count Taka Aki accurately in the count since he's not a member of the current pack and we don't really have data on all existing werewolves. However the current pack count is 10 with 3 members imprinted which is 30 percent. I get the impression thought that this number is way higher than the wolves expected.

As for you Sasha. I have missed you! You are funny to tease me so, let's just hope you didn't accidently open a big ugly can of worms on this thread. Hopefully the whole world has figured out that NO HE DID NOT!

Meg and Sasha bring up such interesting points with their two sides of the falling in love question. Sasha is right, it's the falling part that is fun. Meg is also right the couple can find reasons to delight in each other post imprint, but I think imprinting is a bit different than an arranged marriage situation. Because with imprinting you are in love instantly. BOOM. There she is and BOOM gravity moves. Yes you grow together and get to know each other over the years but there isn't that tingling slow build up of discovery that comes with the way love happens to us mere mortals. And again there is no free will. It's not you slowly figuring out she makes you smile because you just like those qualities in a girl it's like an instant download of the reasons to your brain.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, it's an interesting observation. I would love for more people to weigh in on this.
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cullenaddict664 wrote:To me, it is all like the "arranged marriage" concept. The imprentee has no say. They can end up hating the imprinter, or learning to feel the same way. So, yes, I think it does kind of undermine the worth of love a little
I think we all feel that the imprintee's end of the bargain is a little confusing (maybe because it's where determination and free will really come into it). It's not quite like an arranged marriage, where the imprintee might easily, as you say, end up unhappy in the relationship. We're told by Jake (ie Stephenie) that the imprintee WILL be just as in love with the imprinter, guaranteed.

But not because of any corresponding magical transformation inside him or her. Just because...well...the imprinter will be everything they could possibly want. Somehow the universe has been arranged so that the match just WILL be perfect for them. There are seemingly two separate ideas here: 1) the act of imprinting actually ensures this match will work (the imprinter is now driven to become everything the imprintee could want); but also: the imprinting is just the revelation of something that was always meant to be (the imprinting would never have happened if this weren't the right match).

So it does look a little like predetermination: if someone imprints on you it's a sign that you're fated to fall in love with them.... Potentially, an extremely tricky concept. Did Stephenie fully think through and intend all these implications? Goodness knows. But as Sasha says, imprinting is a plot device of spectacular usefulness, once you have the heart-breaking love triangle of Eclipse. Stephenie famously "likes happy endings". It's hard to think of a neater way to give Jake his well-deserved Happily Ever After with another girl and still hold to the idea that his love for Bella was real and deep and lasting. So maybe the implications were more of a promissary note, something intriguing to be explored further another time, than the first thing on her mind when she introduced the idea of imprinting....
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December wrote:[ But it is, as Sasha says, a plot device of spectacular usefulness, once she had constructed the heart-breaking love triangle of Eclipse. Stephenie famously "likes happy endings". It's hard to think of a neater way to give Jake his well-deserved Happily Ever After with another girl and still hold to the idea that his love for Bella was real and deep and lasting. So maybe the implications were more of a promissary note, something intriguing to be explored further another time, than the first thing on her mind when she introduced the idea of imprinting....
Which begs the question I asked earlier when we were first thinking of this topic. Will we as readers be happy for Jake in this instance. Will it be the happy ending tied up neat little bow that we are assuming is Stephenie's plan for Jake or will it leave a slightly bitter taste in our mouths as a cop out.

I think personally it will bother me a tad. It's an ending that in some ways undermines Jake's whole character arc and cheapens the pain and sacrifices of Eclipse. Of course if anyone can pull it off with grace it's Stephenie.....
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cullenaddict664 wrote:
To me, it is all like the "arranged marriage" concept. The imprentee has no say. They can end up hating the imprinter, or learning to feel the same way. So, yes, I think it does kind of undermine the worth of love a little.

My post (for some reason it didn't do the quote thing):
They won't end up hating the imprintor though because its like they were made for each other. Thats the whole thing they love each other and they do have a choice but why wouldn't you choose the person you love and loves you? I see your point.....,but they love each other so in the end its not like an arranged marriage because they could choose...It's like the cars again. (See my previous post if you have no idea what I'm talking about...)
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