Was Edward an idiot to leave Bella in NM?

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Re: Edward.

Post by cullen_boys_are_fine » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:45 pm

be.still.my.heart6 wrote:...To me: Edward was tortured with the concept of leaving Bella, whom he had bound his 'soul' to, and wanted to stay with forever. But he knew that the moment he jepordized her life (like with Jasper) everything that he had worked for, everything that he loved her for would end. She would cease to be, and in that sense, he would as well. This really shows when in New Moon, he goes to Volterra to die. And as Alice said, he hadn't been planning on outliving her by long. Edward wanted Bella, but he knew that because she was human, fragile and delicate, he couldn't have her.

He was noble, and just. There was a perfectly good reason for his leaving, even if his plan didn't turn out the way he expected it to. Just as well, now they can by happy.
Makes sense. Good point!

mveritym wrote:...it kind of reminds me of a parent giving their child up for adoption (weird analogy, but bear with me here). If somebody who is utterly convinced that they can't take care of their child puts it up for adoption, do we praise or degrade that person? No matter how much the child might hate it, don't we applaud the parent's desicion to be so self-sacrificing and responsible and give their child a chance at a better life? The problem was, when we read New Moon, we were that child. We read from Bella's perspective. And to be honest, Bella does not really ever realize how much danger she is in. So from Edward's perspective, he's doing the right thing, because he's giving Bella the chance for a better life than being with him...

Great analogy! I really like this input. It makes me wonder, though, how much of the bulk in this debate stems from us actually being the ones that are hurt. Now, I don't want to sound rude, so please excuse me if I do. But in eclipse, Bella completely forgives Edward. All is made well, and she trusts him once again that he won't leave. If, from Bella's, point of view, Edward is completely forgiven, why is he not from ours? If we agree with Bella's point of view that broke our hearts when he left, should we not agree with Bella's choice to forgive him? This would be true unless we, ourselves, were hurt.

Ugh...I don't even know if this makes any sense at all, but there you have it...a question up for grabs for anyone who understands the point I am trying to convey.
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Post by SparklingDiamond » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:49 pm

I have always felt that the love of Edward and Bella was otherworldy, and definitely extraoridinary. More like that of the bond between a mother and a child than that of lovers. It is because of that, that this topic reminds of an adoption. When a birth mother, so overcome by the love of her newborn, yet so torn by the fact that she may not be able to provide the best life, may even put her child's life in danger, is faced with the most painful of choices.

December wrote:
But whether it's relevant depends on your reading of Edward's psychology. To my mind, Edward is far more preoccupied with Bella's wellbeing than even a subconscious desire to escape his uncomfortable feelings of guilt, feel like a "good" person etc. I just don't see his feelings for Bella as filtered through that scrim of self-absorption: I see what Renee sees, a boy who is coiled like a spring to throw himself between danger and girl he loves -- even before he knows he loves her. Yes, his decision to leave Bella is less impulsive than his reflexive leap to save her from Tyler's van, but to me it feels equally instinctual and unselfconscious. He needs to make sure Bella is safe because he needs her to be safe. Simple as that.
I believe one of the measures of love comes with the fact that one has the capacity within to let one's love go free if that is what is best for one's love. Be it selfish or selfless. If you love something enough to let it go and break your own heart in the process, that's really saying something.

On the topic of whether Edward was selfless or selfish in this act, there is one scene that proves to me that Edward's act of leaving was purely selfless. Edward was able to physically leave Bella's side because he thought that she needed to be free of him, even though he never wanted to be free of her. As everyone else has already said, he truly believed he was putting her at mortal risk.

But.....What did he do when he thought she was dead?

He set off to try to kill himself. He never intended to live without her. He knew that he couldn't live without her spirit physically embodied on this planet. Even knowing this, he distanced himself from her in NM. This shows how much he didn't want to leave her, how selfless it was of him.

Had his act of leaving been selfish or arrogant, I do not believe that he would have reacted in this way to news of Bella's "death." As December wrote about Bella, if this were an ordinary relationship he would have been wounded and then, in time, healed. It was his intention for her to be free of him, not the other way around. Even though this was slowly killing him inside.

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Post by lalaith913 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:54 pm

I'm going to go along with the general notion that it was "stupid but justified."

We all would like to think that we would do whatever we could for the person we loved no matter how much it hurt ourselves, as long as it was best for the person we loved.

I know why he did it, and it's wonderful that he cares for her that much. No one had anyway of knowing the kind of trouble it would cause.
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Post by Snair94 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:01 pm

Well i think that it was wrong for him to leave bella but he's not perfect. Everyone makes mistakes even vampires 8) He really cares about bella and he did it because he cares soo much.

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Uh, yes and no. I guess

Post by Stevie Dee ! » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:06 pm

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I have to say, from a Fan point of view the first time I read New Moon. I was horror struck. I actually went into a extreme depression, where I only ate Ice Cream and cried. Ha, not that extreme. I was really depressed though. It ended up taking me two months to finish New Moon as apposed to my Two Days on the other books.

After I read it again, and I also read the first chapter to Midnight Sun. I understood completely why Edward left Bella. He was too scared that he'd hurt her more than it would hurt to leave her. He knew how dangerous he was to her, so he left. He didn't want to, because of his extreme love for Bella, but he had too.

Plus, if he hadn't had left. There wouldn't be a meaning to Eclipse. The whole story pretty much revolves around her fling with Jacob and his LOVE for Edward.

After I finished New Moon, I was less upset the second time around. Mostly because I understood why Edward left


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Post by Edwards obsession » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:31 pm

I think that Edward's choice to leave Bella was a noble thought. But I also want to believe that deep inside he knew he would be going back to her. If it's true love how can you just give it up especially without a fight. I think that as always he was only thinking of Bella's well being but in the end it was a mistake to leave her. It caused more problems than actually solving them. I was happy when everything went back to normal with them. I guess when you really love someone even their faults are oblivious to you, so I understand Bella's quick forgiveness for his faults but I don't think I would have forgiven him as quickly. I would eventually though because of course I'd be in love.

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Post by mylove134 » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:46 pm

I think that Edward was doing what he had to do. Though i think it caused a lot of pain for Bella it was something that needed to be tested. to me Edward Explains it all in Eclipse. He was trying something that was an option in his book. I too as i think many do, want to believe that he would never really leave her forever. And he wouldn't have never in a million years. I think that because Edward Is truly in love with Bella in a way that not even Werewolf imprinting can compare to he was able to let her go. which to me says has the best intrest in heart and though i now many would think he is only minuplating her by saying things like that it truly and really is a heartfelt thing.
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Post by edward_is_better_ » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:48 pm

I think Edwards desicion to leave showed how much he truly did love Bella.Looking at it from his situation:here he is,falling in love with a naive human,and experiencing love for the first time.He ends up going much deeper into the situation than he would want to for <i>Bella's</i> sake.He is faced with a few outcomes.Either he will end up killing her for her incredibly deliscious blood,the dangerous world he lives in and its inhabitants will kill her,or he has to doom her(to what he belives)is a damned existence and steal her humanity.No matter how much Edward loves Bella,he had to atleast <i>try</i> to save her from that.How could he go on thinking that she could have lived a full,normal human life if he had chosen to leave her?He couldn't just carelessly continue on a path he never wanted her to be on for <i>her</i> sake.
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Edward's Absence

Post by &&all.that.jazz. » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:58 pm

For me, I had so many thoughts running through my mind that I didn't know what to make of the leaving scene.

The very first time I read NM, I could.not.stand.it. I was so angry at Edward. All I wanted to do was find him and yell my head off at him. Why would you leave her?? How could you do that to her??

I was angry at him through the entire story.

And then, I read the end. And I had a complete turn-around of thoughts. I had respect for why he left.

The one thing I still become absolutely furious at is that he lies to her. Even though I fully understand why he did it, it still aggrivates me no matter how many times I read it. The fact that he does it so well and convinces her that he truly does not love her, and then knows that she believes him but continues to lie to her kills me inside.

But, it took me about 3 reads of NM to come to terms with his leaving. I don't hate it like I used to. Of course, I cry (doesn't everyone?), but I look at it differently. I see it now as proof that it is true love and that they were always meant to be together.

No matter how many times he leaves her alone in the woods, he returns for her just as much. And their love is stronger than any emotion that I feel during the horrible scene. Now that I can feel.

So yes, of course I forgive Edward. It was a retched, horrible mistake, but it was under the best intentions. But if I'm trying to get an Edward, I have to be a Bella. So if she forgives him, of course I do too. I love him just as much.
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Post by Angelique.the.Twilighter » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:01 pm

Well when it gets down to it, it was almost good that Edward left. Because what if he didn't? Bella and Edward would just be happy all the time and their relationship wouldn't change. It would almost get boring. As Stephenie says, she listens to her characters and does what they need to do, even if she doesn't like the decision they made. I think Bella needed to learn how to cope without him, just in case something even more tragic happened (i.e. got killed). In another way it was good is because even though she loved Jacob, being apart from Edward reassured her undying love for him. BUT THEN AGAIN, I really don't like it that Bella had to lean on Jacob, because that just made him fall head over heals and made it even harder for Bella when Edward came back. After the second time reading the books, Jacob started to grow on me. So I'm kind of Team Switzerland, but I mostly choose Edward (99.1% of the time). I think I could forgive Edward (obviously I have) because he really did try to do what he thought was best, even though it turned out to be very depressing. So that's pretty much what I think. I have to admit, it was painful for me to read. It still is!

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