Was Edward an idiot to leave Bella in NM?

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Post by Searching For Topaz Eyes »

Like December I still can't go back and re-read the part where Edward leaves. I just can't. The heart wrenching agony both the reader and Bella go through is too much for me.
I whole heartedly believe Edward leaving was a tragic mistake. A bit arogant? Yes, but after living for a hundred years without the life altering love he has for Bella and then suddenly BOOM! He can't exsist without her she is everything to him. And she is just this small delicate human. Edward has read the minds of human girls for decades and he has never seen a girl who loved her partner as much as Edward loves Bella. So can we really blame him for thinking that Bella just doesn't love him as much as he loves her? I can't.
I also think it was selfless. Edward didn't leave for HIM. He left for HER. There is no way Edward would have left if he didn't think it was absolutely nessesary for Bella's protection. He knew he would never get over Bella. That the memories of her would haunt him for the rest of his exsistence and cause him unmeasurable agony. BUT. He hoped and convinced himself that Bella could and would get over him and find another love that could give her a true human life.
There are so many more reasons Edward had for leaving and everyone of them is to better Bella's life. He truely believed that she would be better off without him so he did the one thing he thought he could. He left. It was a tragic mistake, but a mistake that had to happen. It strengthened Bella and Edward's relationship. Bella now sees herself as more of an equal and a little more deserving of Edward. And Edward sees that Bella does really love him as much as he loves her.
Can I forgive Edward for leaving? Of course! Bella already forgave him so why can't we ?
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Post by TehSwizz »

First of all, we all know that Edward is an old vampire and that the time in which he was human is long past. We are told that he still exhibits the traditions and the speech of the time. Guys during this time were chivalrous and females were the "damsels in distress". My line of thinking was that it was never Bella's choice to be made whether the relationship could/should continue. This is from Edwards perspective of course. He felt that he had a duty, as her night in shining armor, to protect her at all costs and he himself was a monster that should be banished from her presence.

Also, it was kind of essential to the story for Edward to leave. I say this not because Jacob needed to come into the picture, it would have been the same outcome had Jacob never become so attached. The point is, Edward had this thought process that Bella, somewhere inside, was a normal human capable of moving on, and she wasn't. By leaving, and ultimately finding that even he cannot stay away, they cemented their love for each other. Edward would have left eventually, he had to either prove himself right or wrong, because he was so stubbornly rooted in his thoughts. By being proven wrong, he realizes that neither of them can live without the other and then we get Eclipse and the possible marriage in Breaking Dawn.

So there you have it, Edward leaving was essential, and if he never left, he would never be fully committed.
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Post by It_is_a_NewMoon »

I say, yes Edward was a complete idiot, blockhead - whatever you want to call him. But don't forget that he cares for Bella so much and doesn't trust himself with such an angel as Bella is in his eyes. He sees himself as a monster. *cough*NEVER!*cough*
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Post by Leah (SWACM) »

I think we shouldn't only regard his decision to leave her, but also her decision to LET him leave.
In my opinion the problem was, that both of them clearly underestimated each others feelings. Of course, I agree when you say, Edward was being arrogant. He should've known the magnitude of pain this decision would cause her. But how could she believe him (I know, I quote him here)?

This has been (Not only for Bella and Edward, but also for most of us, I can tell) an exceptionally painful, but nontheless NECESSARY experience.None of them will ever be so blind again.

Edward tried to do the right thing, he tried to keep the girl he loves safe. He meant her to lead a normal, human life. he meant her to be happy.And he didn't know that she couldn't be - not without him. Stupid mistake.

Now, the question is: Could I, if I were Bella, ever forgive him for doing something like that to me? For nearly getting me killed because of this mistake? For making me want to die? For causing me so much pain, that nothing will ever going to be able to make me forget it?

My answer is clear and I would give it without missing a beat.

HELL,YES!

I was mad at him when I heard why he left (you may laugh at me if you wish - but I belived him, when he said, he didn't want her anymore.) because I have suffered with Bella as we all have.
But I love him. And love - as we all know - is unconditional.
So how could I possibly blame him, when he had suffered just as much as Bella? When he just did it for her own good?

Edward tried to do the right thing and he screwd up.
But he loves her. And he's never going to do something like that again.He's going to stay - and as Bella once said - this is the only part that matters.
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Post by The.New.Cullen »

OMGOSH TehSwizz, your so right.

Edward is the type of "guy" who is constantly fighting himself. He is trying SO HARD to not be what the world thinks their kind is, vicious killers. That's why he's still a Cullen. Sure, he slipped up, most, if not all people do. But he's fighting his "inner demons" to try and NOT be that.

He was trying to keep Bella from being hurt by him, that's why he left. It killed him inside, and Bella, and me, and many others, but he felt like...that was the only way he saw to save her. He didn't want to kill Bella in one stupid moment, and he felt that all that had happened up to that fateful moment when he left was HIS fault. James, Victoria... He didn't want her to be hurt anymore.
Sure, he thought that she would heal, since human tendancies are to forget. That this would, as erinzomg put it, keep her on the path to heaven, that he wouldn't have to turn her and destroy her soul.
Of course, he came back, but Edward realized he needed Bella, that he couldn't stop loving her, or stay away. Making their bond even stronger. And he knew that she still loved him, even when he was an idiot and left. man, I wish I had that kind of love...
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Post by Dejavu »

Aw! Yes the question everyone thinks about over and over again is finally debated! Praise to you Twilight Lexicon!

I see it as a terrible mistake.Me and my friend have often had this discussion,never really seeing the others point of view,but when I read ouisa's point of view I actually got it a little.I have read New Moon over six times the first three I read all the way through,the last three times I read up until Edward left her then skipped to when Alice comes back. I know it's wrong even strong Edward supporters say I should read the whole thing,but I can't stand reading Bella slowly get better because of Jacob.When Edward left it hurt me too,yes he's a fictional character,but still and I didn't like Jacob,I couldn't stand him and I just wanted Edward back.

I was never mad at Edward for leaving her he was perfectly justified in doing what he did.He sees himself as a monster sees being a vampire as the worst possible thing,but he falls deeply in love with a human. He knows all through Twilight what she's going to have to sacrifice to be with him,and he doesn't want that to happen.Then his brother tries to kill her,his own family.He thinks she'll never be safe or be able to lead a normal life with him or his family.So the only way to not have her around them is to leave her.Now how he said it was horrible I understand he was trying to make her think that he didn't love her but I think he could have done that a little better. There was an interview with Stephenie or maybe a fan's question I can't remember, but someone asked if she was going to write New Moon from Edward's point of view and she answered with: Probably not writing from Bella's point of view had her depressed writing from Edward's would make her want to stick her head in an oven. Which shows Edward suffered just as much,well more then Bella did. He left his family he didn't have anyone to help him through it all he could think and see was Bella.

The fact that Edward made that mistake and left Bella shows how human he actually is.Bella sees Edward as this perfect inhuman being.She doesn't see any of his faults and even if she did she would look past them. She wasn't really thinking the vampire thing through, she wasn't thinking about what she'd have to leave behind,what she'd have to give up. Edward knew that.So he made the worst possible mistake he could have but he thought it was the only way.
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Post by CanadianAlice »

I have to agree with Unchallenged that Edward was extremely foolish to leave Bella in the woods that day knowing what a danger magnet she is but I do think that he never for second thought that she would wander away and get lost, possibly because of her promise not to go into the woods alone.
I think that although Edward was a complete idiot to leave the love of his life his actions were entirely pure and selfless. It takes a lot of courage to be able to leave someone you love so much for what you believe to be their own good.
Maybe I just love Edward too much to think any bad of him :lol:
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Post by saraelise »

Leah (SWACM) wrote:I think we shouldn't only regard his decision to leave her, but also her decision to LET him leave.
In my opinion the problem was, that both of them clearly underestimated each others feelings. Of course, I agree when you say, Edward was being arrogant. He should've known the magnitude of pain this decision would cause her. But how could she believe him (I know, I quote him here)?

Now, the question is: Could I, if I were Bella, ever forgive him for doing something like that to me? For nearly getting me killed because of this mistake? For making me want to die? For causing me so much pain, that nothing will ever going to be able to make me forget it?

My answer is clear and I would give it without missing a beat.

HELL,YES!

I was mad at him when I heard why he left (you may laugh at me if you wish - but I belived him, when he said, he didn't want her anymore.) because I have suffered with Bella as we all have.
But I love him. And love - as we all know - is unconditional.
So how could I possibly blame him, when he had suffered just as much as Bella? When he just did it for her own good?

Edward tried to do the right thing and he screwd up.
But he loves her. And he's never going to do something like that again.He's going to stay - and as Bella once said - this is the only part that matters.


I could not have said it better, although I tried I am glad some else sees how at fault bella was is this instance. I don't care about or deny understanding her but, fight dammit! to not fight, it was a great loss for me that she didn't fight, some how. But I get Edward, I would probably have made the same extreme decision he had! No Bones About It! In the Same turn I would have done exactly what Bella did to the extreme; again. I would have shut down. I am not into extreme sports, but often my response to pain are.
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i think of it in two ways.first off,he did it for her.he wasnt going to put her in danger,at least where vampires are concerned.he wasnt going to risk her soul just so she could be with him forever.he just wasnt going to do that when,even though he hated it,she could be with someone that was alive and could make her happy,not in the same way of course.i think that showed how much he would do for her.
second of all it was really stupid for him to leave.i mean hes like the only person in the world that can protect her from herself.but at the same time is respect him for doing so.he would rather die inside and watching her be happy than him basically sucking her soul out.i think that shows his charactar and how much he would risk his exsistance for her.

even though i love edward i am a proud member of team jacob.edward doesnt really do anything for me personally.sorry about that.but anyway i totally forgive edward for his little expeiriment,as i call it.even though it was uncalled for and totally not cool....i forgive him.i can totally understand his point and his perspective.he gained so much information for this experience as well.for example....that he cant live when bella doesnt and vice versa.i think that he was justified in the fact that bella never stopped loving him......such as his voice.but that shuldve clued bella in as well.......if she was hearing his voice than that means that they will always love each other.
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Post by jennylecullen »

I will start of by saying, wow. I never knew that this was such a heated topic between the Twilight community. Personally, I thought the largest riff would have been between the loyal fans of Team Edward and Team Jake, so this is so immensely eye opening to me. But, let’s get on with the discussion.
The question asked,

“Was Edward an idiot to leave Bella in NM? Or was it justified? Was this noble of him, or arrogant, or selfish, or stupid, or just tragically mistaken? If you think it was wrong of him (rather than just a terrible mistake), can you forgive him?”

The following is my opinion:

Yes. Edward was an idiot to leave Bella, however, it is extremely justifiable and noble. It was not arrogant or selfish. It was stupid and tragically mistaken. And (it seems as if most people are forgetting this last question) I would be able to forgive him as was Bella. For everyone else, that is their opinion. I think it’s best to start off with his motives.

In Edward’s eyes, he is a monster who has killed many people. Not to mention that he has contemplated killing the only person that he has ever loved romantically numerous times over. Being near her even draws danger from every direction that he can’t always foresee and protect her from. And if that were not bad enough, she wants to be a monster. She wants to be the one thing that he could not stand to give to her. He is also a 107 year old man who has fallen in love with a child. As much as we may want to disregard this fact, saying that it’s different because of his immortality, it does not change the fact that there is a MAJOR age difference between the two. I don’t think that this self-loathing is unwarranted. Fortunately for us, Bella (and many others) is able to look past these flaws.

So if the above mentioned were building up to it, I think it is time to look at the catalyst. Even with his mind reading ability, it was a close call with Jasper (poor Jazz. Despite a near-death experience for Bella, I always feel sorry for Jasper. Edward must have been beyond furious). Not only does he feel like a pathetic excuse for existence because of his incapability to protect Bella from outside dangers, he almost lost her to his family. How could their love work when she could be no where near his family? It would have tore apart the family that they had all lived with for years and sacrificed everything to protect. Another thought might have been, how long until he lost control like Jasper did. After all, it did say that everyone except for Carlisle was not able to keep full control. I think this would be enough to drive anyone to the extreme in order to protect the one they love.

So, Edward, being flawed (sigh, I know. It’s hard, but time to admit it), did the only thing that he could think of in order to protect Bella. He ran. In a way it was immature of him, but I find this understandable because despite his age, this is all very new to him. He is, in a way, the same maturity as Bella when it comes to relationships. Like it has been stated before, he was stupid, naïve and tragically mistaken, but he was not arrogant or selfish. At this point in time this was the only alternative that he could come up with. So even though it hurt him more than many of us seem to grasp, he did it to save Bella. This, in my opinion, makes him selfless, not selfish.

He underestimated Bella’s love for him, but how could he not. He has been around teenagers for the last century, hearing their lust for him. And even if he believed that Bella was in love with him, how was he not to assume it was a teenage love interest that often fades over time as outside factors affect high school relationships, they way they often do. To him, Bella’s love was human. It would fade; she would grow and move on. He was naïve to the fact of how deep her love ran. This is understandable as this is all very new to him.

I supposed in conclusion I could say that Edward was wrong to leave Bella in the sense that I do not think that he should have done it, but his actions were noble and understandable. In this context we have to look at the definition of right and wrong. These words have many different meanings to everyone. To say that Edward was plain wrong is debatable because what is wrong? This is perhaps why this is such topic of heated discussion. Then again, we are able to sit back comfortably with hind sight as our aid. We can see the consequences of his actions and make decisions without thinking about what that decision would have meant before everything had played out. We also, as the reader, only saw Bella’s side of the story. We saw how much this affected her and destroyed her world. I am sure that we all felt horrible for her as we all love her as a family member, so it helps to point the finger of blame and say “how dare he!” We need to look at this from Edward’s perspective at the time. Maybe he shouldn’t have left Bella. Maybe it was justified, maybe it wasn’t. The point is, is that he did but Bella forgave him, because true love is understanding, patient and forgiving.


Hah. And I’m the one that said that I found it hard to believe that people felt so strongly about this. I suppose I can now see why. I hope I did not offend anyone. These are simply my opinions and enjoy reading everyone else’s. It is great that we can have in depth conversations about these characters which we love so much.



Edit:
As an after thought, I am glad he left (Don’t kill me!). Okay, okay, let me explain. This is the reason that New Moon is my favourite in the series. His decision to leave proves both his and Bella’s love and how strong and true it is. Did Bella not think (I don’t have my book or a photographic memory) something to the effect of, she didn’t know if she would have been able to make her decision between Jake and Edward had Edward not left her because his leaving her was such a huge part of who she was now. So, when Edward left, it made it clear to Bella how she could never live without him and it made their love stronger (in my opinion) for Edward as well. He says something in Eclipse where he’s talking about how he can stand the smell of Bella’s blood now, and he said something to the effect of, when you think you have lost the only thing you love, your priorities change, or something. Also, had Edward not left, Jacob probably would have not been such a big part in the story (no, I’m not Team Jacob, but I can appreciate his character). Things would have been completely different. I don’t know. I’m talking hypothetical now, but I hope someone can see my point.
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