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Post by shine_brighter » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:31 am

We also have to keep in mind that she said it would become obvious what the other book was when we read BD--so it has to be something either hugely popular or vaguely familiar to a lot of people.
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UGH STOP PLEASE!!

Post by lovely23 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:11 pm

i hate the posts that suggest Tuck Everlasting or Peter Pan as a possible story line. i mean WHAT kind of closure would we get from that? stephenie said that she felt closure when she finished BD. i think if it ended with bella choosing life over being with edward she would have a million pissed off fans. plus this story line is so over played...where the main character goes off in search of them selves or for them selves in the end. any of you watch Instant star....well im going to compare this novel to that tv show because it fits perfectly. a girl spends FOUR seasons obsessingggg over the same guy. FOUR SEASONS! then on the finale episode EVER she chooses to go off by herself to expercience life. it was a horrible ending to my favorite tv: show. the same exact thing for twilght. Bella has spent 3 books madly in love with edward and always obsessing over him....but for her to pick jacob or pick no one at the end, would seriously tear me apart. not to menton a huge waste of time and money for all of us die hard fans ughhh i feel sick about it
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Re: UGH STOP PLEASE!!

Post by KT » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:55 pm

lovely23 wrote:i hate the posts that suggest Tuck Everlasting or Peter Pan as a possible story line. i mean WHAT kind of closure would we get from that? stephenie said that she felt closure when she finished BD. i think if it ended with bella choosing life over being with edward she would have a million pissed off fans. plus this story line is so over played...where the main character goes off in search of them selves or for them selves in the end. any of you watch Instant star....well im going to compare this novel to that tv show because it fits perfectly. a girl spends FOUR seasons obsessingggg over the same guy. FOUR SEASONS! then on the finale episode EVER she chooses to go off by herself to expercience life. it was a horrible ending to my favorite tv: show. the same exact thing for twilght. Bella has spent 3 books madly in love with edward and always obsessing over him....but for her to pick jacob or pick no one at the end, would seriously tear me apart. not to menton a huge waste of time and money for all of us die hard fans ughhh i feel sick about it
I tend to disagree with you on this point. I see a lot of value and merit in the books you mentioned above (I've never seen the show though), and I feet definite "closure" with them too. Perhaps you're placing too much value on obsessive love for one person and too little value on the happiness gained from a full, purpose-driven and meaningful life and the true contentment gained by "finding yourself", as the expression goes. But perhaps we just see things a little differently :wink:
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Post by Erendis » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:33 am

What about Arthurian mythology? The famous and tragic love triangle between Lancelot, Guenevere and Arthur is like that between Edward, Bella and Jacob. I know that there are many variations of the story, but people know the basic outline of the love story of Lancelot and Guenevere, who is wed to Arthur. There are many English writers (if you want to keep the pattern of English authors) who wrote about this love triangle. Another reason for this is that the chess piece on the cover of BD is the "queen." Guenevere is a queen.

I really think that Jane Eyre could be one of the classics, Meyer chose.

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Post by debussygirl » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:51 am

Isn't the love triangle over? I'm not very well acquainted with the Arthur tales, but didn't Guenevere cheat on Arthur with Lancelot? That would not be a good thing! From what I know I can't see connections, and the love triangle is done, so I'm drawing a blank on Arthur. But I'm not well informed on this one so I don't know how much of what I'm saying is plausible.

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Post by CuzEdwardLikeBurnettes » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:37 am

Ok so, I was rereading Twilight (again...) and noticed the book list that Bella was given for English class her first day of school in Forks. There are 4 names listed: Bronte, Shakespheare, Chaucer, and Faulkner. Since the first two were already used as inspiration, could the other book be one of the works of Chaucer or Falkner? I'm not really familiar with either one of them so I really couldn't give an exact title or anything...

Maybe I'm just reading too much into things... :?
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Post by JulesCullen » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:37 am

CuzEdwardLikeBurnettes: we discussed this a few pages back. There are actually three Brontes, and Shakespeare is being used again (in New Moon for Romeo and Juliet and in BD for MSND) so the others could be used again, as well. As I was reminded by others when we discussed this, when Twilight was written, SM had no intention of writing sequels, so she probably didn't write that in. It's a good thougtht though (and you'll see that we actually have considered Chaucer and Faulkner).

Other note: Okay, I've read a few of the tales of King Arthur, but never actually knew there was a love triangle between Arthur, Lancelot, and Guenevere. Shows how much I know...

That just plain scares me... don't cheat on Edward, Bella!
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Post by Amethyst_Willow » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:54 am

I think the love-triangle is definitely over. I can see both sides of the "choice" argument peter pan vs. living forever and I do feel that Bella will choose living forever.

On another note. As far as books for inspiration go we've mostly drawn a blank and I was thinking about it earlier, we actually have two routes to look down. 1) Widely well known title that *everyone* will have read or know the story of. I think we haven't quite been thinking about that the right way, we've been looking at solely what she might have read when actually it's got to be something that loads of people have read, or at least all the cool twilight fans :wink: option 2) something that we may not have read but that has a give away title. I'm not saying these books exist but something like "Jacob's Death" (I really don't want that to happen) or "Edward's Gift" you know something like that. So then we'd be like "Aha! So *that's* what happens!" It's a possibility, though a small one, but if anyone sees a book called "Bella fights a whole bunch of vampires with her new vampirical strength and shields the ones she loves with the power of her mind" (and it's not fanfic) then perhaps that's it!

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Post by shine_brighter » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:02 am

^^ That's one of the points I've been trying to make, that it has be something everyone should be vaguely familiar with. Otherwise, SM wouldn't have been so coy about it.

Anyways, Barnes and Noble publishes tons of classic novels in those pretty covers, and to help get some ideas I looked up the big sellers. Unfortunately I couldn't find much to relate to BD, but who knows? Maybe someone else will.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookse ... E=10&SAT=1 <--That's the link.
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Post by Erendis » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:41 pm

I don't know for sure. But I keep thinking that there are going to be ramifactions to the scenes in Eclipse and the other two, that are between Edward, Jacob and Bella.

However, I still think there is a chance still that it could be lightly connected to any of the romances in Arthurian mythology.

I just remembered another one. I know it is written by Shakespeare, but what about "Antony and Cleopatra"? Cleopatra was Queen of Egypt, people everywhere know her tumultuous story, and it is a classic.

I personally agree with others that BD is probably only lightly based on the stories Meyer is choosing from.

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