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Post by edwardlover1235 »

FIRST OF ALL I AM ON TEAM EDWARD AND AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME TO SAY BELLA WAS SPEAKING TO JACOB JUST THINK SHE WAS SURPRISED AT THE TRUTH IN HER OWN WORDS SHE WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF SHE SAID THAT TO EDWARD :cry:
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Yes she would be suprised.
Remember, this is BELLA. She is ALWAYS doubting herself, and then finally, finally, she realizes that YES. They are perfect for eachother. That they will be forever.

And to the hypothetical question, Jacob would take over for Edward. Remember, she loves him too, just Edward more.

I don't actually know if she'd live through it though. Bella would do something, or die by his side.
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KT wrote:
Alice_at_Heart wrote:I'm thinking that's its when Edward bites Bella. He WOULD be a little hesitant. This isn't a Woops! Changed my mind! sort of thing. This is a permanent feeling. But the "We belong together" Part doesn't make too much sense in this theory. Unless Bella is finally realizing that she IS good enough for Edward...but I thought she had already realized that. The wedding doesn't make sense, because it would be Edward comforting Bella.
this could be with jacob after bella is turned into a vampire.
my reasoning: if they could get over the smell, they could be together because jacob doesn't have to age if he can keep becoming a wolf and they can keep from killing each other.
As much as I hate, hate, HATE, to say it, that makes sense. But if Bella fell in love with Jacob...I might throw my book across the room and against the wall. Again. (I did the same thing when Edward left). But that DOES make sense. Even though it pains me to say it.
I have a COMPLETELY hypothetical question for you: If Edward were dead (perhaps he died to save Bella during a battle or something in the climax of the story), would you still feel so strongly against Bella ending up with Jacob in the end? Or do you think would it be better if she spent the rest of her life alone mourning Edward? Again, this is totally hypothetical; I'm not saying this is likely to happen or that I want it to happen, I'm just curious how anti-Jacob people would feel about this kind of an ending.
Well, I'm not exactly anti-Jacob. I just love Edward more. He just...rubs me the wrong way, so to speak. And annoys the heck outta me.

Hypothetically? Well...if Bella continued to live (BIG 'if') then I suppose I wouldn't mind her getting together with Jake. As long as she was truly happy with him and he didn't make her feel obligated to get together with him. I liked him until Edward came back. Then he started to go mad. Which is why it would hack me off if Bella got together with him. The whole "Overwhelmed by the truth of her own words" is what keeps me from putting this in the "Edward and Bella Category". The "forever" is not Jacob. After all, he is mortal. Sort of. So that kills the "Jacob and Bella Category". Wait! Maybe Bella has finally fallen in love with Mike Newton... :wink:
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I can think of three possibilities:
1. And the most probable is when they make love, him promisign her that he won't kill her.
2. As many of youo suggested, when he'll bite her.
3. During the war with the Volturi (again, dunno if it's going to be)
Oh and
4. when they get married!

So that is 4 possibilities. And most likely I didn't hit the right place! :-)
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Alice_at_Heart wrote:
KT wrote:
Alice_at_Heart wrote:I'm thinking that's its when Edward bites Bella. He WOULD be a little hesitant. This isn't a Woops! Changed my mind! sort of thing. This is a permanent feeling. But the "We belong together" Part doesn't make too much sense in this theory. Unless Bella is finally realizing that she IS good enough for Edward...but I thought she had already realized that. The wedding doesn't make sense, because it would be Edward comforting Bella.
this could be with jacob after bella is turned into a vampire.
my reasoning: if they could get over the smell, they could be together because jacob doesn't have to age if he can keep becoming a wolf and they can keep from killing each other.
As much as I hate, hate, HATE, to say it, that makes sense. But if Bella fell in love with Jacob...I might throw my book across the room and against the wall. Again. (I did the same thing when Edward left). But that DOES make sense. Even though it pains me to say it.
I have a COMPLETELY hypothetical question for you: If Edward were dead (perhaps he died to save Bella during a battle or something in the climax of the story), would you still feel so strongly against Bella ending up with Jacob in the end? Or do you think would it be better if she spent the rest of her life alone mourning Edward? Again, this is totally hypothetical; I'm not saying this is likely to happen or that I want it to happen, I'm just curious how anti-Jacob people would feel about this kind of an ending.
Well, I'm not exactly anti-Jacob. I just love Edward more. He just...rubs me the wrong way, so to speak. And annoys the heck outta me.

Hypothetically? Well...if Bella continued to live (BIG 'if') then I suppose I wouldn't mind her getting together with Jake. As long as she was truly happy with him and he didn't make her feel obligated to get together with him. I liked him until Edward came back. Then he started to go mad. Which is why it would hack me off if Bella got together with him. The whole "Overwhelmed by the truth of her own words" is what keeps me from putting this in the "Edward and Bella Category". The "forever" is not Jacob. After all, he is mortal. Sort of. So that kills the "Jacob and Bella Category". Wait! Maybe Bella has finally fallen in love with Mike Newton... :wink:
Ok, think about Bella for a second (this is replying to the 'overwhelmed with the truth of my own words' Bella quote)
she has always doubted her worth beside Edward and even sometimes her worth of him. I'm really thinking that she's finally realizing that she is good enough and he is good enough and they are just perfect together.
Ya know? Similar to that realization she had in New Moon "You love me!"
Only now, reaffirming her worth to him and vice versa. :)
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even if it were Jacob (which i doubt) there is no way Bella and Jacob are going to end up together in this book...SM has repeatidly said it is OVER for them :)
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Exactly, well kind of.
I mean, the friendship between Bella and Jacob will ALWAYS be there- even if he tries to hate her when she becomes a vampire (which I doubt anways) there will always be that deep connection.

Shes talking to Edward though. The way he replies- it sounds exactly how Edward would.
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i like the idea that its bella convuncing edward one last time to change her =P
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Post by Alice_at_Heart »

Erika Isabella wrote:Exactly, well kind of.
I mean, the friendship between Bella and Jacob will ALWAYS be there- even if he tries to hate her when she becomes a vampire (which I doubt anways) there will always be that deep connection.

Shes talking to Edward though. The way he replies- it sounds exactly how Edward would.
I don't deny that that is how Edward would reply. But I have this strong conviction that Bella would not be overwhelmed by saying that "We belong together."
Ok, think about Bella for a second (this is replying to the 'overwhelmed with the truth of my own words' Bella quote)
she has always doubted her worth beside Edward and even sometimes her worth of him. I'm really thinking that she's finally realizing that she is good enough and he is good enough and they are just perfect together.
Ya know? Similar to that realization she had in New Moon "You love me!"
Only now, reaffirming her worth to him and vice versa.
I think that Bella got over that in New Moon.

"You love me."
"Truly, I do."

She knows that Edward loves her, and she loves Edward. But I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I still think that it's Edward. But Jake's a close second.
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twilight~obsessed wrote:even if it were Jacob (which i doubt) there is no way Bella and Jacob are going to end up together in this book...SM has repeatidly said it is OVER for them :)
Can someone tell me where it is that SM has said this? I can't find it anywhere (and believe me, I've tried!). A lot of people were saying it was in the Eclipse FAQ on her web site, but I didn't see it. I think perhaps people are confusing the term "unalterable decisions" that she used in reference to the decision to become a vampire- which is obviously unalterable once completed. I think people are perhaps taking it to mean that every decision Bella has thus far made is "unalterable", but I'm pretty sure that's not what she meant at all.

Here's the question and full answer:
Q. What are the characters' biggest mistakes in Eclipse, their tragic flaws?

A. Bella's is a lack of self-knowledge; she never would have pursued her friendship with Jacob if she had realized how much more than friendship it really was. You don't give up your friends when you fall in love; however, you do give up your other romantic interests. If Bella had understood herself better, she could have saved everyone a lot of heartbreak. Sometimes that happens when you try to do the right thing.

Edward's big mistake is overreaction. It's in his nature to be too extreme (see: New Moon). He's a very all-or-nothing kind of person, and it makes him unreasonable. In the beginning of Eclipse, he's too overprotective. When he sees the error of his ways, he goes too far in the other direction. He could have chosen a middle ground—maybe admitted to his jealousy and asked Bella to choose him, rather than watching her get in deeper with Jacob. Of course, he has other issues that make forcing this issue problematic. What if Jacob is better for her? What if Bella could have a more complete life with him? Should Edward really insist that Bella give everything up for vampire life? Or would it be better to let her make a fully informed choice? Can you see his dilemma? Part of Edward wants Bella to choose Jacob (and life).

Jacob doesn't have a tragic flaw. He has one goal and one hope. His goal is to save Bella's life. His hope is that he'll win her heart in the process. He fails at both. But that doesn't mean he regrets trying. If he could do it over again, he'd do the same thing. Jacob couldn't live with himself if he didn't give saving Bella his best effort—he knows it's going to hurt when he loses, but he knows it would hurt worse if he didn't try. Does he do everything right? Heck, no! But he's sixteen and he's making it up as he goes along. Those who are upset by some of his tactics should consider his youth and the fact that he is, after all, right. Bella is in love with him. (In the end, it's truly healthier for her to be aware of this as she goes forward with unalterable decisions.)
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