A Midsummer Night's Dream

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Post by secsec1 »

aspirer wrote: The way I see it is you can cut out the lovers completely, the play still works. We did this in one of the productions of MSND.
This leaves you with:
• Theseus and Hippolyta.
• Oberon, Titania and the fairies.
• The Mechanicals, A bunch of tradesmen who are putting on a play for Theseus's and Hippolyta's wedding.
Aspirer, i think this is the best thought out theory for MSND ive seen, and i think its the one that scares me the least and i think it works the best in where the story is going.

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Post by debussygirl »

Completely agree! Everything that aspirer wrote is making sense! There's a theroy that is close enough to MSND to work, but loose enough to let BD be its own book.

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Post by MissCorker »

Phew. I've finally finished reading all of these posts.

I've read a lot of great theories, and a few that I can't see happening. I don't really have a sure opinion, but I did want to mention something about imprinting.

In Eclipse, Jake says he doesn't think he is CAPABLE of imprinting. He says he only sees Bella, and therefore is unlikely to imprint on anyone else. He may be around other girls, but he's not looking (poor boy!).

I believe the same is true for Leah. She only sees Sam, and the pain he has caused her.

So when Stephenie says that imprinting happens the first time someone "sees" the other person after changing, we have to remember that "sees" can be a relative term.

My hope is that eventually (maybe in Breaking Dawn, maybe in other books) Jacob and Leah will heal enough to be open to imprinting. Maybe with each other (I'm not Stephenie, but she could make it work if she wanted to, so I'm not counting it out), or maybe with other characters.


One other thing I wanted to mention, is the last paragraph of the second page in "Being Jacob Black" (http://stepheniemeyer.com/pdf/nm_extras_jacob.pdf)

Here Jacob mentions a girl having a crush on him, this could be our Helena. (If we do go with the Jacob as Demetrius theory, which I am in no means sure about)

I'm probably over analyzing that, but I had to mention the possibility.
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More panes are broken and
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Post by Sheluvstennis »

Chaos wrote:
Enabella wrote:I think there could be something in this. Someone wrote on the lexicon that in first chapter Billy told Charlie to let Bella visit Jacob, or something like that. Maybe Billy and Charlie are planning to separate Bella from Edward and even bring her to La Push because they want her to be with Jacob. I hope it's not going to be like this, and if it does I hope they will FAIL in their attempt.
I don't think Charlie would ever sabotage something Bella loves, even if it's not what he wants for her. He's a good father that way. He needs to let her make her own mistakes, and I think he knows that.

Is it just me or is the width of this thread waaay to large?
I agree you can go only so far with books she ties in.. If this is the case how A midsummer nights dream is loosely based in the beginning and we all have to remember that A midsummer nights dream is a romantic COMEDY so nothing tragic will happen.. Well if you were to tie in 4 people then Bella and Edward are the two main lovers and then Jake and Leah I know ha ha but for some reason I could see Leah really liking Jacob alot... So I could see that get twisted around... However if it is loosely twisted then I am not sure how she will do it then... Unless Seth has something to do with it and he is the donkey LOL right??? Any way Unless Bella falls for Emmett and Rosalie for Edward since she was ment for him in the first place okay I know that is a stretch but to bring comic relief that would be funny.. I am just glad that she is using a chaotic funny story to tie in but I am not sure what the other one will be...
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Post by Daithi »

I also agree you can go only so far with books she ties in. Twilight's link to Pride and Prejudice wasn't much more than average girl hooks up with someone way out of her league. New Moon's link to Romeo and Juliet didn't have the characters actually die, and Jacob is nothing like Paris. Eclipse's links to Wuthering Heights are even more superficial.

So I don't see MSND having much more of a link than the fairy/imprint connection. However, I do wonder what the second book is that will influence the plot of BD.

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Post by Jazz<3 »

I was thinking MSND relates to breaking dawn as Edward, Bella, and Jacob being Lysander,Hermia, and Demetrius. Being that the two guys are in love with the same woman, and her father favors one over the other. And thats it. Then the rest ties into the second book that SM picked.

Or it could just be similar in the fact that both will have comic relief. Theseus and Hippolyta as Edward and Bella. And then the Cullens as the Mechanicals bringing the comic relief to the story someway.

I'm not sure I havent thought the second one out completely, sorry. haha

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Daithi wrote:Eclipse's links to Wuthering Heights are even more superficial.
i would disagree, i think Wuthering Heights is the most defined out of the 3 references. She uses directly uses the charactors in Wuthering heights to show Bella and Edward how they are acting and relating to other people. the Pride and Prejudice reference i think is the most superficial and then Romeo and Juliet she uses it as a way for Bella to see her world and and to help Bella figure things out.

I see the literary references so far as a way for Bella to relate to the world. she's kind of a book worm and has never really fit in, and i think books might have been her way to escapre because she coudnt in the real world because she had to take care of her mom.
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Post by Daithi »

You may be right on the Eclipse and Wuthering Heights having more of a connection than I see in it. Maybe it is because I can't help seeing Jacob as the Heathcliff character (if I remember Heathcliff was Indian, and Jacob has to struggle more - kind of like Heathcliff). As far as Eclipse and Pride and Prejudice goes I see Edward and Darcy being very much alike, and I also see the correlation where Bella thinks vampires are bad but falls in love with a vampire, and likewise Lizzy thinks Darcy is bad but falls in love with him.

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Post by Sheluvstennis »

Daithi wrote:You may be right on the Eclipse and Wuthering Heights having more of a connection than I see in it. Maybe it is because I can't help seeing Jacob as the Heathcliff character (if I remember Heathcliff was Indian, and Jacob has to struggle more - kind of like Heathcliff). As far as Eclipse and Pride and Prejudice goes I see Edward and Darcy being very much alike, and I also see the correlation where Bella thinks vampires are bad but falls in love with a vampire, and likewise Lizzy thinks Darcy is bad but falls in love with him.
Okay first of all it is a English writer Bronte and second of all it takes place in England or somewhere around that area and her characters are all from there.. Anyway Healthcliff is more so alike to Edward because he sees himself as a horrible monster that thinks that he no good for anyone.. And for Catherine she is Bella and her attitiude towards Heathcliff is awful at first and she doesn't understand him or his intentions and she pretty says along the lines of Bella that he doesn't see himself clearly as she sees him and that is why I love in Eclipse what she says to Edward to reassure him her choice for him and how she can't live with out him.. Along the lines of P&P E&B are like Elizabeth and Darcy she falls in love with him but its the whole pride thing and pigheadedness on both sides that they look past.. It's not the whole story just how the character flaws are set in place.. As for a midnight summers dream which is a comic relief i am sure that the characters in a way are like Bell and Edward and Jacob but I wouldn't put it past SM to through Chaos and Comic relief...
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Post by twilght_girl..x »

I have no idea, I want to read A Midsummers Night Dream now!!!

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