Chapter Twenty-one: Trails

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Chapter Twenty-one: Trails

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Loads of thanks to Ilovetwilight for her help with the questions.

1- What is it about Edward and Jake that makes their answer to Bella's request that they stay behind and not fight different? Would Jake's answer be different if Edward were not in the picture?

2- Is there something more to why Jake doesn't step into the role of Alpha Male? Will he decide to become chief later on?

3- Why is the wedding so important to Alice? Is her motivation truly for Bella's (eventual) happiness or is she being selfish in wanting to coordinate a big event?
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1. What is it about Edward and Jake that makes their answer to Bella's request that they stay behind and not fight different? Would Jake's answer be different if Edward were not in the picture?

I think for Edward its this willingness to put Bella and her needs first. While he wants to fight and protect her, he also knows that it would mean more to her to know that he doesn't have plans to leave her. Especially after knowing the pain that he caused her when he left her because he thought he was doing what was best for her. This time around he's actually willing to learn from his 'mistake' and do what she thinks is best for her. Thus proving that she is most important to him once again.

Jacob on the other hand I think he believes Bella is just being pessimistic and doubtful of his ability to hold his own in a fight. He is young, believes that nothing could ever harm him and he wants to prove that to Bella. Do I think Jake's decision would have been different if Edward wasn't in the picture? No. Because Jake isn't one to stand on the sidelines when there is a fight going on, its just not in his nature to fight the good fight. I think this is yet another example of how Edward and Jake are like night and day.

2. Is there something more to why Jake doesn't step into the role of Alpha Male? Will he decide to become chief later on? I figured it was because Sam has more experience, he's been in that role longer and I think even Jake touches on the fact that he doesn't want to take away Sam's status even though he offered it up to him. I don't think Jake believes he is ready for that right now because he still has much to learn from Sam, but I do think that in time he just might step up and take the Alpha role instead of second in command.

3. Why is the wedding so important to Alice? Is her motivation truly for Bella's (eventual) happiness or is she being selfish in wanting to coordinate a big event?

While its obvious that Alice wants to throw a big event, I don't think that makes her selfish in anyway, just...Alice. I think one solid reason why she wants Bella to have a traditional wedding has something to do with Bella and Edward's desires to have her experience all sort of human experiences. Alice would knows this, just like I am sure she knows Edward wouldn't want to give Bella a quick fifteen minute ceremony in Vegas. If this is her first experience, it should be as special as her first kiss, first time attending a prom, it is just something to add with the list of other firsts.
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1- What is it about Edward and Jake that makes their answer to Bella's request that they stay behind and not fight different? Would Jake's answer be different if Edward were not in the picture?
Jacob's life hasn't been changed as much as Edward's. Edward's whole life now is Bella, he can't stand not being with her; just like Bella can't stand being without Edward. Jacob has always been okay not spending every last minute with Bella. He has had separate interests and ideas that prevent him from centering his life around Bella. I think Jacob might have stayed with Bella if Edward wasn't there. Jacob knew deep down that Bella would be safe with Edward there, so she didn't need two people protecting her. So because he didn't need to protect Bella he would go enjoy killing vampires with the rest of the pack.
2- Is there something more to why Jake doesn't step into the role of Alpha Male? Will he decide to become chief later on?
I think he didn't want to be Alpha Male while Bella was still there because he didn't want to be busy with other things if Bella decided to come over to see him. If he were to be Alpha Male he would be responsible for the whole pack, and perhaps he didn't want to feel guilt if Victoria made it past he wolves and to Bella. If he gets over his feelings for Bella and finds his soul mate I think he might consider becoming chief.
3- Why is the wedding so important to Alice? Is her motivation truly for Bella's (eventual) happiness or is she being selfish in wanting to coordinate a big event?
I think part of it is that she wants to plan a big event and have fun doing that. She does try to live through Bella with getting Bella dressed up, married, etc. Another part I think is that Alice does know that Bella will be happy (at least down the road) if she is tied to Edward and everyone they know understands the bond they have between eachother. It will just make it easier later on to explain their relationship to other people.
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1- What is it about Edward and Jake that makes their answer to Bella's request that they stay behind and not fight different? Would Jake's answer be different if Edward were not in the picture?

Edward truly realizes how much he hurt Bella when he left her in the past....he just can't do it. Jake is desirous of the fight! I don't know if Jake would have changed his answer if Edward weren't around.

2- Is there something more to why Jake doesn't step into the role of Alpha Male? Will he decide to become chief later on?

I personally think Jacob wasn't "mentally ready" to be Alpha male...he respects Sam and all that Sam went through when he had to become a werewolf on his own. I think he and Sam might be co-alphas! :D

3- Why is the wedding so important to Alice? Is her motivation truly for Bella's (eventual) happiness or is she being selfish in wanting to coordinate a big event?

Alice knows how important tradition and values are to Edward. I don't think Alice is being selfish...sure, she wants the party, but she wants for Edward and Bella to have something significant. The event is important---Edward and Bella aren't like Rosalie and Emmett...they won't need to have multiple weddings...that's for show! Bella and Edward would be in it for the significance of the event and what it means for them.
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