Chapter Twenty: Compromise

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Chapter Twenty: Compromise

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Thanks to Be My escape for her help on this chapter.

1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?
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Re: Chapter Twenty: Compromise

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Oh, I'm first!! :-D

1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?

I think I can understand Bella. Her mother probably married quite early, in a small city. And her marriage ended up badly. So, I guess that from an early age, she had this view that marriage when you're young, in a small city, with your first boyfriend is a BIG mistake. It's something that silly girls do. She wants to show everybody how SERIOUS she is about Edward. Not just a silly girl marrying her boyfriend right after she finished school. Also, her general unconfidence doesn't help her either. And another thing: she might think that marriage is too 'human'. She might want something more for her and Edward, something more characteristic to vampires, to eternity, to show how great and eternal is her love to him.
And yes, it would be something that would affect my decision to marry at such a young age.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?

The intimacy in this chapter suprised me. Pleasantly of course. It just shows how much they know, trust, need and love each other. I was looking for a chapter like this. Also, it showed that Edward WANTS her, a LOT. As much as she wants him.
Their decision to make love while Bella is still human is a good one. Is one of those human experiences that Bella should have during her short human life. It's a MUST HAVE. If she would do it when she'll be a vampire, her heart won't beat like that, her senses would be different, and she would think of blood before of his body. So yeah, good choice. Somethign very special, very memorable. Something human.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?

Just because their heart doesn't beat it doesn't mean that they don't have a soul. they are tempted into certain things, like humans. They have conciousness, they want to be good (some), so this DEFINITELY shows that they have soul. How can you love someone so much as Edward without having a soul? A souless creature should lack all emotions, especially such as love and guilt.

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1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?
I would be a little afraid to marry so young. I definitely would be a little scared, especially if I had grown up with Renee telling me that smart people don't get married right out of high school.
2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?
I really liked that they took it up a notch and were getting more involved. Edward is always so careful, that it was nice to see that he really can just let go and give in a little bit to his feelings. I am a little hesitant about them trying to make love with Bella still human because I don't want Bella to get hurt. But Edward will try very hard to keep that from happening. It is the one experience that Bella wants before she becomes a vampire, so they should definitely try it. I kind of hope though that it doesn't lead her to being pregnant because that will really mess up the whole plan for becoming a vampire by a couple of years.
3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?
I think they do have souls, at least the Cullens do. They try so hard not to destory human life that they definitely still have a soul. Perhaps it is the actions of killing innocent people that slowly kills off a vampire's soul till they don't have one anymore; then really evil vampires wouldn't have a soul while the Cullens and other vampires still do.
Staring into his eyes always made me feel extraordinary-- sort of like my bones were turning spongy. I was also a little lightheaded, but that could have been because I'd forgotten to keep breathing. Again.

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Oh, third post(:
i was so excited when this chapter became a discussion(:


1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?
i think that i can understand why bella would be hesitant to marry edward. she takes most of her opinions on marriage from her mother's marriage. plus, for bella, it's just not normal to think of marriage at all. but bella and edward are truly madly deeply in love with eachother, so i think that bella knows that she wants to. however, even if i was as in love with someone as bella is with edward, i don't think that i would get married at her age. of course, i don't know any vampires soo...that kind of changes things.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?
the intimacy level between edward and bella did surprise me a little bit here. i was amazed at how well edward took everything when discussing their "compromise." but i was glad the way this chapter went. i was hoping for something like this. i think that their decision to try to make love while bella is still human is actually a very good one. for one, edward doesn't want bella to miss out on any human experiences, and this is one experience that bella truly wants. and even though edward obviously feels the same way for bella, he would rather do this with bella when she's "less breakable". but it would make sense for them to try while bella is still human. if they tried after, bella wouldn't obviously be the same. her cheeks wouldn't turn pink, and most importantly, her heartbeat wouldn't speed up, and edward loves those things about her. but she'll still be bella.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?
i absolutely think that vampires have souls. no question about it. i think there's more than one way to define a soul, and just because your heart's not beating, doesn't mean that you don't have one.

Overall, i loved this chapter, and it's deffinitely one of my favorites in the book(:
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1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?
I think I can grasp where she is coming from as far as her unfavorable opinion of marriage. The way she was talking, I got the impression that Renée had pretty much drilled into her brain that marriage is VERY serious, and you need to consider it carefully -- and if you're smart, you'll wait a long while to "tie the knot". As far as it affecting my own decision to get married at 18... well, if I was completely certain that he was the one I was meant to be with, I would do it. My mom's mom was married at 19, so... It's more of a question of maturity mentally and emotionally rather than your age. I think Bella wants to get married, but she's afraid that it will somehow doom her relationship with Edward.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella is still human?
I was actually kind of waiting for things to "progress", as it were. Though I wanted to congratulate Edward when he said that they would try after they were married. I personally think that that's a very important decision. At one point, though, I thought that he was going to crack... but then he stopped Bella from taking off her shirt (which is one of the funniest parts in the whole novel -- "Bella, would you please stop trying to take your clothes off?" "Do you want to do that part?" :D).
I can also understand Edward's fear that he could hurt Bella while they're together, as his concentration will be split, but I share Bella's opinion about the situation: he doesn't want to hurt her, so it's like his subconscious will keep him from harming her. And I also believe that it's a good decision for them to try while she's still human, because she brought up a good point that she won't feel the same as she does right now. Still, all things considered, I'm sure they'll both be relieved when she's not breakable anymore.


3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?
I was mulling this over in my head just the other day -- and yes, I think that Edward, and all vampires have souls, just like humans. A soul is, to me, like your eternal self - but it also acts like a conscience, It's the very core of who you are. So, if you don't have a soul, can you truly love? Can you make sacrifices? Can you choose between right and wrong? The Cullens do that, time and time again. Just like human beings, each of us have the power to choose. And if all vampires are soulless, then why would Carlisle and the others have guilt, digust, and remorse about what they are? To be, that says that they have souls.

And I have to say that I agree with l0vet0laughx0: this chapter is one of my very favorites, in Eclipse and in the whole series.
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1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?

I can definitely see why Bella is a little hesitant about getting married, I mean look who she grew up with, Renee of all people! Renee seems to constantly regret marrying Charlie and how abruptly and sourly she ends their relationship...this was being embedded into her head since she was little. I would have to wait until I was 100% sure, I wanted to be a vampire before I decided to marry Edward...If I decide I want and NEED to spend the rest of my life the the eternal gorgoeusness that is Edward I would definitely get married at 18...no questions asked.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?

I really enjoyed this chapter, it's probably one of my favorites chapters of the three books. I think it's important for them to at least TRY before she's changed because as a human everyone needs to experience that at least one time, and I really think it would test their trust in each other and the boundaries of their love.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?

Well, I look at a soul being spiritual-type things not associated with the human body. So by my definition Edward and all the Cullens for that matter have souls! Their love and care for one another is a sure sign that they do and specifically in Edward's case, his decision to love his la tua cantante, rather than drink her blood is the ultimate sacrifice, by choosing his soul over is bodily wants/needs.

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1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?

Yes to both. It would definitely make me more wary of the decisions I make because I wouldn't want to repeat the same mistakes as my parents.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?

I was fine with it. It adds tension and a type of suspense to the story. I feel that it may not be the greatest idea because Edward could easily injure Bella, but then, it's a human experience that she should be able to have before living the rest of eternity as a vampire.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?

I think that they have souls. Vampires, though they are immortal and have unnatural looks and powers, are still human in their own way. They still retain their soul through the transformation I think because it is part of their very existence and can't be taken away. Does this make sense?

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1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?
I can understand Bella's concern. Her parents were married at a young age and it didn't work out. I would feel the same way. Not to mention, it's not like "until death do you part"....this is an eternity we are talking about here.


2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?
I was shocked, but I figured that at some point they wouldn't be able to resist anymore even if they didn't go all the way.
I don't think it is a bad decision to try while Bella is still human. I don't think Edward would even bother telling her they would try if he thought he would actually hurt her. Not to mention, that is an experience that will be completely different once she's a vampire.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?
I don't really know. I think he does in a sense because part of him deep down is still connected to his human life. I can't really explain myself on this one.

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Re: Chapter Twenty: Compromise

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Alphie wrote:Thanks to Be My escape for her help on this chapter.

1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?Yes, her parents are the reason she has an aversion to getting married at eighteen. And it's a no for me, I did get married at a young age and we have children, young, I wouldn't have it any other way. I knew at 17 he was who I would be with, and at 19 I married him. Age is only a number and when you know you know and when you're ready nothing will change your mind. I just happened to find my soulmate young.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human? I knew it would happen, it's Bella's human nature coming out as much as she doesn't want to be human, while she still is it will be there since she feels so strongly for Edward.I think it's nice that they decided to try before the change since she is right that it is the last human experience she will need to have ,since neither one knows what it will be like.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls? Yes, I think it is the one human part that is left in them when they are changed. I don't think they would be able to live and love they way that they do, if a soul wasn't there I think Edward would have killed Bella that first day, and I don't think the Cullen family would exist the way it does. I would say the soul is what makes it possible to not live off humans.

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1. Can you see why Bella is afraid to marry Edward? Is it something that would affect your decision to get married at a young age?

I honestly can't see why she is so apprehensive. I feel like she is basing her thoughts on the way her parents marriage worked out and what other people will think. She knows she loves Edward; she knows she doesn't want to live without him. I don't get why she is so reluctant to marry him. I think if I were in that situation I would have realized that I am my own person and because my mother and father weren't able to make it work doesn't mean that I'm destined for the same path.

2. The intimacy level between Edward and Bella really jumps up a notch here. How did you feel about that? How do you feel about their decision to try to make love while Bella was still human?

I enjoyed reading this scene and I hoped that Edward would give in to Bella's "demands". I understand Bella's concerns that she won't be the same when she is transformed and so she wants to experience this as a human. I also think that she is right about Edward not hurting her because he doesn't want to. If (or when) this happens in Breaking Dawn it should be interesting to read.

3. Again the question arises about Edward having a soul. What do you think about this subject? Do vampires have souls?

I do think that Edward has a soul. How can someone that is so beautiful (not physically...though he is that too) possibly be eternally damned? I don't think that could be right. I agree with Carlisle with this one. I guess if I believe that Edward has a sould that all vampires (like Victoria) have a soul.

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