Chapter Nineteen: Selfish

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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?
***Yeah. It's selfish. So what? I would have done the same thing. And it turned out to be for the best cause if he wasn't with her... well, bye bye Bella.
2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?
"Look what I've done to her. That was the worst mistake I will ever make. To leave her. If this is what she needs... and no. She's not asking me to choose between her and my family. She's just telling me what SHE NEEDS. And what she needs is the most important thing. But Alice, and Carslie, and Emmet... they can take care of themselves. They know how to fight. They can do it themselves. There is close to no chance that we won't win. What's Bella thinking? She looks torn. and scared. I can't make her go through this again. She needs me. My family doesn't. She needs me..."
3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?
***They're both overconfident. But I think that Edward is a little bit frightened as well. If someone gets hurt, its his fault for not being there to pick up the slack.
4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?
***Cause he can't talk and ruin everything. Jacob "wears his heart on his sleeve" and it makes it hard on Bella.
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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?
Yes. She's asking him not to help his family to be with her. If something goes wrong, they'll be one man short. But, I think we all understand why she's doing this. She gave Edward two choices as well, and this is the one he went with. (I couldn't seem him going with the other option.) If I were in her place, I know I would do the same thing.
2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?
I think he was thinking about a lot of things. I'm sure he was thinking about how a part of him wanted to fight, to vent the anger he's feeling at everyone who's trying to hurt Bella. He's probably thinking about what would happen if his family needed him and he wasn't there to help. And, he's probably thinking about what Bella when she said that she couldn't deal with not knowning if he'd come back alive. Edward doesn't want to be the reason Bella is worrying, and I'm sure that played a factor is his choice.
3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?
I think it is some of both. For them, a group of experienced fighters with some extra powers, I'm sure the newborns don't seem very threatening. On the other hand, I do think they're a little worried about the size of the newborn "army". They don't want Bella to know that they're worried though, so they're acting likes it's not big deal.
4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?
When Jake is in his wolf forms, there's no talking, no joking, no fighting between them. I think he's a lot more natural in his wolf form, and due to that it's easier for Bella to be around him.
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hm...i dont really know if bella is being selfish or not. I mean if I were in her shoes ( i wish :cry: ) then i would not want the love of my life to be in any danger----because of me--i would rather sacrifice myself---plus its not like if something happens to bella she cant be turned--itll just be sooner than later. I think Edward needs to be with her anyway, being that he made her suffer enough. i also take into account that the werewolves are also there to help the cullen family if something goes wrong. Not all hope is lost if Edward is not there to fight. They will pull though this like they did in past situations.
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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?

Yes and no. Yes, she was being selfish in the sense that she was thinking of her needs first. But on the other hand she was just as willing to risk her own life to be in the meadow to help. I think most importantly this shows Bella's growth as a person. She is unhealthily self-sacrificing (a trait that Edward is trying to get her to stop doing: think ballet studio). For once, she is recognizing what she wants and needs, and even though she feels extremely guilty about it she's sharing those needs with the person who is supposed to be her equal and her partner.

2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?
I agree with most of the other posts- I think there was a lot going on in his mind. Weighing the risks of him sitting out of the battle, feeling guilty for the pain he caused Bella and remembering those images in his mind, recognizing her guilt for asking that of him and probably even a satisfaction that Bella was for once thinking of herself and asking for the things she needed instead of being self-sacrificing.


3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?
I guess I disagree with most of the other posts- I do think the Cullens are confident they can win the battle now that they have the werewolves to help. I think they are downplaying it a bit for Bella's sake, but there was clearly a great sense of relief when the werewolves decided to join in. I think they all recognize there is a risk that someone could get hurt but, I don't think Edward would have really sat out if he thought the situation was that desperate and they needed him.

4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?
The old Jake was comforting, carefree, loving, fun- they had a natural and easy connection. There wasn't (as much) pressure for her to choose sides between they wolves and vampires or stress about his feelings for her. With Jake in wolf form, she doesn't have to deal with the "Sam mask" she hates so much, the tension about his feelings for her or the rivalry between Jake and Edward- it's much simpler and more like the way things were with the old Jake. A lot of that has to do with Jake not being able to talk, but I suspect it also has to do with him falling back into that role as her comforter and companion without the other agendas or the reminders of their situation.

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Alphie wrote: 1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?
Yes, it is very selfish, however it is understandable.
Alphie wrote:2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?
I think he's thinking of how much he wants to be there in battle. How he would feel leaving Bella alone with all that danger. How she must feel having him go to all that danger and what she might do to try and end the situation herself. His weighing his options and risks and I think he ultimately makes the best decision to keep his family & Bella their safest.
Alphie wrote:3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?
I think they're more worried about The Volturi--their motives for being so late to move and what might happen if the Cullens don't take care of it themselves...so from that perspective, the newborns are a trivial threat.
Alphie wrote:4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?
Because in wolf form Jacob's not asking anything from her than her company. He's not asking her to leave Edward and be with him. He's not asking her to split her heart in half. He's just being her friend, accepting her the way she is and not the way he wants her to be.

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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?

Well she is and shes not
bella does not want to fell the same way that she felt when edward left and it something hapend to him she doen not know how shel servive, and also if edward had gone to the medow he would not had known that Victoria was coming 4 her.
Also bella was risking her life to be with edward in the medow.So that shows that shel give up her safety to be with edward :lol:


2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?


What i think that was going though his mind is that he does not want bella to fell the same, like the time that he left her.
It will be like he broke his promise. he does not want to bring up the same emotion, to her. It will break his heart to see her suffer againg. :cry:


3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?


I think they just dont want to increase the speed for bella to turn into a vampire, so they are handle it them selves so they don't have to have a visit from the Volturi.


4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?

he want to be with bella more than just friends and when he is in wolf form she is just his company, nothing more.

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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?
It is. But Edward told her to let her know what she needed. Being him is what she needed...and she voiced it. It was like Alice not allowing Jasper to come to Volterra. Was it slightly selfish? Yes...but can you expect her to feel any other way? No. Same for this.

2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?
Worry for his family. And the feeling that he is letting them down.

3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?
They wouldn't let Edward go with Bella if they thought the danger was too much. To a degree I do think that they were trying to make Bella feel better.

4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?
Because he's not being a jerk. And when he is wolf-form it reminds her of old Jacob (before the werewolf thing and he became all bitter)...whom she loved.
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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?
yes it was but then again it wasn't. i mean i totally understand where she comes from and everything and so i guess i don't really think it's selfish.

2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?
he didn't want to hurt her again

3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?
i think they really believe what they are saying to bella just because there are the cullens plus the werewolves and the newborns are really easy to predict

4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?
because he acts more like his old self and you can't see the changes between the old jake and the new jake.
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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?

I don't think that it is...If we start saying that Bella asking Edward to sit out is her being selfish then we can say the same about Edward leaving her. I don't think that anything they ask each other to do or do for each other is selfish, they're simply trying to save themselves and the other from hurt. If anything had happened to Edward because he faught in the battle, I think that Bella would have definitely become catatonic. Edward had told her that his familt would be fine, besides, they had the werewolves on their side. :)

2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?

That's a tough one, 'cause we all know how deep Edward's mind goes, but I think that he was possibly contemplating the consequences and benefits of him sitting out. Probably compyling a PMI (plus, minus, inbetween) chart in his head :P.

3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?

I think that they were trying to make Bella feel better, they probably needed Edward there, but then realised what his absense did to her last time.

4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?

Ok, this may be mean to all you Team Jacob members, but I honestly think it's because he's not actually talking! She can be free with him when he's in wolf form, she doesn't have to worry about him lashing out and morphing in front of her. She can be as honest as she wants, he can tell hr off later but by then he would have calmed down. I know there are a lot of Jacob fans out there, and I'm sorry if you enjoy it when Jacob talks :P I like it too i guess, but that may possibly be Bella's reasoning :P
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1. Is it selfish of Bella to ask Edward to sit out the battle, knowing that it will increase the danger to the rest of his family?

Of course it is! But we can all understand why she did it, and probably would have done the same thing in her situation.

2. When Bella asks Edward to sit out the battle for her, he looks into her eyes for a long time. She sees his eyes "tighten with some emotion I couldn't read" before he picks up the phone to call Alice and make the necessary arrangements. What do you think was going through his mind?

He was probably trying to decide if sitting out really was the best thing to do. He wants to protect Bella, but he was also really excited for the fight. He had to come to terms with the fact that keeping Bella safe meant missinng somethign he was lookign forward to.

3. Do Edward and Alice really believe the danger from the newborns is as trivial as they say, or are they trying to make Bella feel better?

I was always a little iffy about this. It's very likely that they could just be trying to make Bella feel better, and we all know that they can be very convincing liars. On the other hand, the fight really could be that easy, especially since they're working with the wolves and their own advantages.

4. Why do you think Bella feels it's more like being with the old Jake -- "easy, effortless, as natural as breathing in and out" -- when he is in wolf form?

This is going to sound really bad, but he can't talk. He can't say things that make her feel uncomfortable.
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