Chapter Fifteen: Wager

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Re: Chapter Fifteen: Wager

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

A: Surprised, no. He's still too sock for his own good. Annoyed. Most definitely.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?

A: I think I saw it coming and I felt a bit ill. Haven't been able to read it more than the one first time. Actually I only skimmed it. :D

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

A: Annoyed. Very Annoyed. Very Annoyed. Not surprised. He's been seeing Jake's mind for awhile now. I think he knew it was coming and as much as he hated it, he wanted Bella to make an informed decision as well.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

A: Kind of.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

A: Children maybe?
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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
=No. Jacob is just like that. He's mostly a jerk. I really can't say I like him at all.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
=I knew he was going to, at some point, tell her he loved her but I didn't expect the kiss. Especially for him to be so forceful about it.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
=I wish she had hurt him, he deserved it. Jacob is a jerk and I wouldn't ever talk to him again. I would be pissed at Charlie and tell him to mind his own business. I kind of knew Edward wouldn't go over board about it. I love the way he called Jacob a 'pup' that was such a good hit.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
=Not at first. But when she went into her thoughts about it I understood better and it was a little scary but I wasn't too worried about it.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
=I'm not sure. I don't think there is any human experience she wouldn't give up. I don't know. going to go finish reading.
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Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

I really think that Jacob is just making it hard for Bella and Edward to be happy and I think it's not fair for either of them. :wink:

How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming? I felt kind of surprised I mean I know that Jake loved Bella because well he told her but to really go to that extent without a warning was surpricing.I was actually shocked with Jacob.

Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
On that part I was like Go Bella. Jacob's was different I didn't realize he would not have been hurt at all by the punch. I was so mad at Charlie's reaction how could he support Jacob after he knows that Bella loves Edward.I really thought that Edward was going to get mad and punch Jacob in the face but he didn't so it was surpricing his reaction.

Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
I kind of thought it was funny how they bet on stuff like that

As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

I was shocked that Bella would ask Edward to do that knowing that he would probable refuse. :shock
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Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
Hell no! Jake knew she loved him too. He had to make her see that. It's not his fault that she didn't realize that. And he's trying to save her life-- he thinks becoming a vampire is the worst fate imaginable. He thinks it's horrible. He thinks Bella is making a mistake. He feels like he's losing his best friend. He hates Edward and feels like Edward doesn't deserve her (quite right, IMO). He thinks he can give her a more complete life (which, IMO, he can. Kids, a family, her friends, her parents, getting older, death, the whole enchilada). Edward takes away everything from her, in Jakes (and my) eyes. Of course he's going to fight for her. Friends don't give up on friends, especially when you think they are doing something stupid (like throwing their life away to become a monster). I mean good heavens... put yourself in his shoes. If your very best friend in the entire world, or someone who you loved very much, was going to do something you thought was really stupid and life-changing and permanent and idiotic, would you try to stop it? If they were throwing their life away? Would you at least try to talk them out of it, since you care about them? Most people would. Jake reacts in the way most human beings would react. I don't know how people can blame him for persisting-- how could you live with yourself if you just stood by and watched the person you loved most throw their entire future away?

How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
-- I was so happy. SOOOOO happy. It's my favorite part of the entire book. I'd been waiting for it the entire time I was reading, I knew it would happen sooner or later. I was so, so, so, so, so unbelievably happy. When I'm sad, I always read that chapter. And it cheer me up (and makes me bawl). It was amazing. I was like, euphoric when I read it.

Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
Bella's reaction? Meh. At least she realized she loved Jake too.
Jacob's? I thought it was a little low for him to pretend to be suicidal. But, again, at least it made her see she loved him.
Charlie? Hell, Charlie should be mad at Edward. If you were in Charlie's shoes, would you like Edward? After seeing what he did to her in New Moon? Charlie is still in the dark, people. He doesn't know why Edward left. All he knows is that he did, left Bella pretty much catatonic, and came skipping back into the picture like nothing had ever happened. Of course Charlie's not very happy.
Edward? Gosh, his reaction irked me. "I can be noble, Bella". Blah, blah, blah. I felt like he was trying to paint himself in a good light and what he did made Bella feel worse. Then again, everything about Edward annoys me. So maybe I'm not the best person to ask about him :).

Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
Yes. Very much so. I thought it was funny, but horrible all the same.

As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
Kids, maybe? Or sex. She's all about sex, apparently. Lol ;).

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Re: Chapter Fifteen: Wager

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward? No not really. Knowing Jacob he was thinking Bella only THINKS the only person she loves or can love romantically is Edward.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming? I hated every minute of it. I was more angry than shocked. It was a matter of time before Jacob kissed her. I had a feeling it was comming...idiot.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react? Everyone did react differently for sure. The kiss was quite steamy although I wasn't so happy about it being Jacob who did it. Bella's reaction didn't surprise me at all. I knew she'd be pissed off but I didn't think she would try to hit him! I liked that part of the reaction the best. Jacob's reaction was much too calm and composed. Charlie actually liked the fact that Jacob kissed Bella which made my anger flare even more. I was scared actually about how Edward would react. I knew he would be civilized about it, but threatening. That's what makes Edward the better man.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did? Yes I did a little. It's kind of funny in a noncomical sense to see how they find humor in her killing innocents. I guess they can joke about it because they aren't like that anymore. But it was a bit unsettling, shame on Emmett and Jasper :cry:

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?" I thought she would finally start thinking about that particular human experience. She brought it up in Twilight when she asked "do you think...you and me...someday?" Edward was still and is pretty skeptical about it. She seems primarily concerned with not getting the chance to even "try" with him. She wants to tie herself to Edward in every human way. I can see that she may still be worried that if she waits until she's more...durable, then maybe he won't want her the same way.
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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

I was annoyed and kind of impressed. He honestly should have just left it alone, he knew how much Bella loved Edward and if he honestly cared for her he wouldnt put her through that much pain.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?

Oh my gosh, I was so surprised. I had to read it a couple times for it to actually sink in. I was pissed at first, how could he put Bella through that. But when she punched him, WOW, I was so proud.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

When Bella punched Jacob I was so proud. It was perfect. I loved that so much.
Jacob acted like it was the most perfect thing in the world. Was he that deluded. She didnt even kiss him back and then she punched him and he still happy about it. He was acting psychotic. now I love Jacob, but hes just setting himself up for disappointment.
Charlies i saw coming, of course he'd be happy about it, he hates Edward.
Edwards reaction didnt surprise me at all. I knew he'd be furious and I want a fight, but lets face it thats not his style. He always takes the high road and does whatever is best for Bella. Hes a good guy.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

Not really I mean we are all debating the same thing.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

I think she was just trying to figure out if there was something that she needed to do as a human before it was too late.
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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
Yes, I was actually. But I think he was really hurting inside. Like he said, he always knew it was a long shot. But it's not over yet, Although I know Edward is ENDGAME!

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
I totally saw it coming!

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
Bella's reaction was pretty funny. Jacob kind of annoyed me. Charlie annoyed me too, how he's always siding with Jacob. I thought Edward would be rational of course. Which he was.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
No..

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
I wasn't sure....
"But," Edward went on, "If I had been able to take your place last night, it would not have made the top ten of the best nights of my life. Dream about that."

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

Not at all...though I think he has thicker skin than most. I think the thing with Jacob is that he already felt she was in love with him somewhere inside of her. I think he was going to hold out as long as he needed to until she figured herself out. You have to admire his tenacity. It would be hard to resist that type of dedication...like he's trying to force an imprint on her. When he first tells her about Quil imprinting, he stared at her with concentration that she got irritated. He was just trying to make it happen with his head. That's part of how he's also different from Edward, he has to do a lot with Bella with the head rather than the heart because Edward has a monopoly on Bella's.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?

I expected it to happen sooner, but I wasn't surprised. The first time I read the book I was so glad she punched him and so worried for Edward's feelings at the same time. After successive readings, I think she was actually fighting because it was what she was supposed to do. She wanted to feel a warm, human kiss...to feel something different even then. (I say this and I'm even on Team Edward!) It's so tricky.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

Like I said above, I think she reacted like she did out of shock, confusion, and defensiveness. As Jacob egged her on afterwards, I think she knew that he was partly right, but didn't want to admit it. Jacob, I think, was just trying to show her how different it could be...that he was serious....that he wanted her to choose. Charlie probably thought it wasn't the first time they'd kissed. I think he was disappointed she didn't like it and choose Jacob. I do think it's interesting that he was instinctively worried for Jacob when Edward was on his way over. He sensed Edwards potential to unleash some true wrath. Edward was more controlled than I thought he would be. I liked how his threats were quiet and direct...like he knew they would be more effective. I think he was already realizing that something was brewing that Bella would have to work out, and I think it was already excruciating for him to watch and appear calm about. I love when he growls, "She is mine." Woo!


4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

No. I think they are fun-loving vampires, just passing some time. I feel like Bella's aversion to blood will carry over as a vampire and I have my fingers crossed that she will get changed....

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

I think she was definitely thinking of Jacob's kiss. The warmth, the passion, the way he kept going without having to pull away. She responded inwardly to the kiss and it made her wonder about having the same thing with Edward...when it might be colder, but the passion would be HUMAN. I dunno...maybe I'm all wrong.
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Re: Chapter Fifteen: Wager

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

No. Jacob is a stubborn, stubborn boy.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?

I was shocked. And like Bella, didn't think it was romatic at all. Jake crossed the line big time.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

Bella's was funny. Jacob's was typical- cool and arrogant. Charlie should not have approved of jake's actions, and he should have been more concerned for Bella. Edward's were priceless, especiall the, "the only sound was the engeine accelerating" line. Loved how he was so sweet and examined her hand before turing to jake. I was a little afraid there would be a fight, but there wasn't. Also Edward's "you bring her back damaged again and you'll be running on three legs" comment made me lol.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

Yes. I thought it was insensitive. They're supposed to be supportive of their family, not making bets about their flaws.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

No. I kept reading and didn't ponder that. If I had I wouldn't have thought of that (though I do have a dirty mind). Bella seemd too innocent to be seducing Edward. That and I dont see how that would work. Edward's body is HARD.
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This is my favourite chapter out of all the books because it's just so funny! :lol:

1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

Not really, after all Jake is a very determined character and because he loves Bella so much he doesn't want to admit that she may love someone else.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?

I was shocked. I can't think of anything else to say. I didn't expect that of Jacob.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

Bella reacted exactly as I expected her to (I would have done the same). Charlie's reaction was the funniest, I couldn't stop laughing. I was really annoyed with Jake because he acted like a complete jerk, but I knew Edward would be VERY angry. He's just overprotective. :wink:

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

Boy's will be boy's. I mean they have been around for a pretty long time, what else are they supposed to do? It was kind of cruel though, even if it was unintentional.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

I thought that she might be have second thoughts. Niave as I am, I didn't realise what she had in mind until later on.
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