Chapter Fifteen: Wager

Our chapter by chapter discussion of Eclipse.
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1) Nope- if he's anything, it's determined (I'm team Edward- but I really admire Jacob for this)
2) I was absolutely SHOCKED- but after the fact it definitely made sense. It made me kind of mad. She's already in love, okay?
3) Bella's and Jake's were completely expected, but Charlie's just made me laugh! I love him [just like in the first chapter of Breaking Dawn- his reactions are so unpredictable and funny] even if he IS mean to Edward (which in some ways is completely unforgiveable. Edward- well, he should have been a bit more mad, but maybe he was just hiding it well.
4) Thought it was going somewhere and wasn't just rhetorical, but I didn't see that direction!
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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
actually, no i wasnt. and since i can kind of relate to him, i totally understand what he was fighting for, and why he did it. i was actually proud of him, but i do wish he hadnt abruptly kissed her.....

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
i was pretty shocked actually, i mean, i was glad that he was fighting back nd everything (dont get me wrong, but i'm team switzerland) :wink: , but i thought it was so unlike him to do something so....."radical" (i'm at a loss for words at this moment, cant find the rite word)

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
bella's reaction was expected, and i think jacob could have apologized to bella a bit more. i was mad at charlie for reacting that way. and as for edward, i thought he was going to flip! i thought that he would try to crush jacob's skull or something :lol: . but i guess he's a sensitive guy, and realized that hurting jacob would hurt bella.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
naah - i didnt really think so deeply into it.....i mean, it is kind of expected, rite?

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
when i first read it, i thought of it as a rhetorical question. however, when i was reading the book for the 2nd time, i thought i should have seen that coming :oops:
"If I could dream it would be about you. And I'm not ashamed of it"

"And so the lion fell in love with the lamb." Edward
"What a stupid lamb" Bella
"What a sick masochistic lion" Edward

"Will you please tell me what you are thinking? Before I go mad?" Edward

"You compare one little tree to the entire forest" Edward

“I never thought I’d see the day where I’d be willing to take a bet against you, Alice, but it has arrived.â€

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#1.jacob is young and immature and he is her buddy. he knows that bella would never turn him away no matter what he does because relatively its usually nothing too extreme. the kiss was a little to the extreme but he has strong feelings for her and he knows she feels something more than friendship for him. he was having to force the issue since she is always skirting around the issue.but they have a great friendship that allows for the two of them to speak their mind freely and and not protect each other from feelings getting hurt. eventhough bella constantly keeps some thoughts to herself around him. jacob was just being himself.silly and funny. obnoxious..#2. i was a little upset with him. but it was a one way kiss. i thought it was a little over the top even for jacob. i think bella knows there's that underlying playful flirting that goes on between them but i don't think she was quite prepared for the kiss. plus her anger i think was anger at herself . knowing she puts herself in these situations because maybe she likes the flirting and playful lingo between the two of them and then letting it get to that point of him kissing her. because deep down she does have stronger feelings for jacob. #3. i loved bella's reaction. jacob was just being jacob, obnoxious. charlie annoyed me taking jacob's side over his own daughter. i loved edward's reaction the most. he talked so controlled to jacob while glancing over to bella and brushing her cheek in the car it was quite funny or calling jacob from the doorway after inspecting bella's hand. i laughed and laughed. that's edward.#4.no. emmett and jasper are treating her like she is already their sister. its brotherly love. i think underneath she likes it because she feels like part of the family. #5.i knew right when that sentence was read that she wanted nothing more than to be with edward in the biblical sense. the human experience would be far more intimate than if it didn't happen until after she was immortal.ye-ha!

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward? No! He knows that she loves him, he just wants her to see it. He is just keeping his eye on the prize.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming? I figured the kiss was coming sooner or later. I was surprised about the passion behind the kiss. First kisses are usually, not always, ackward. Especially since it was a little one sided.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react? Everyones reaction to the kiss was exactly what I expected except for Charlie. If a boy no matter who it is kissed me without permission and then I broke my hand trying to stop it, I would hope no father would be pleased with that. Especially tell the boy good job.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did? I think it shows how much they already accept Bella as part of their family. They can joke and have fun at her expense.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?" She was questioning whether she could give up all human experiences, ones she has thought of and ones she hasn't yet.



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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?

I was not surprised at all. In fact, I understand what Jacob is feeling. I mean Bella does not want to let him go, and if she won't let him go, what can he do, but follow his heart? I think she's wrong to deny her feelings. It's obvious she's in love with him because she can't stand to never see him again.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?

I was shocked! I couldn't believe he had the guts to do it. I know it must have been an internal struggle for him. He knows she's with Edward, and he's that guy who respects relationships. I think it took a lot for him to get the strength to do it.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

I thought Bella was so wrong. I mean I applaud her for not kissing him back, but she didn't need to hit him. He is a werewolf after all. I was still happy about Jacob. He didn't get discouraged at all. Charlie was just being Charlie.. applauding the guy who saved his little girl after she went through her depression. But I honestly thought Edward was going to show some serious jealousy issues. I mean sure, he threatened Jacob, but I envisioned them going into the woods and duking it out.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

I wasn't. Jasper would do something like that. He loves Bella and everything. He was the first to admit she was a Cullen, but I think he says it endearingly. I mean they're going to be family for the rest of eternity. It's a lighthearted bet.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

I thought exactly what she was thinking.

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
Well, he is Jacob isn't he? I wasn't suprised, just....accepted the inevitability that he would fail.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
I don't really think ahead in books. However, I remember going "Wow...he actually did it" When I read it.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?

Bella's reaction was as expected, and it was hell funny that Jacob didn't even feel the punch. In fact, everyone's reaction was hilarious. Jacob and Charlie's total nonchalance had me cracking up laughing, they both treated it so casually and openly, "Why?" "I kissed her" "Good for you". And Edwards evil silence on the phone was pretty funny too. I spose I can see the humour as a staunch supporter of BellaxJacob.


4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?

I actually didn't really get it at first, what they were betting on, and because I had to read that passage about 3 times to get it, it kind of lost impact.

I guess it was actually a very sweet brotherly moment, in a warped way. Pretty heartless, but so typically Jasper and Emmet. But you really felt sorry for Jasper, he wanted some company on his killing record.


5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"

Not what she was thinking about. I just thought she was trying to work out if there actually was such an experience, or whether she was ready to give up it all.
For of all sad words of tongue or pen, The saddest are these: "It might have been!"

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
Of course not. Jacob is so annoyingly persistent...I could not have pictured him reacting any other way.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
I guess my subconscious might have seen it coming, but I was hoping that Jacob wasn't stupid enough to do it.

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
I loved Bella's reaction. It was all so funny. I loved the threats she kept throwing his way about Edward killing him. As far as Jake's reaction, ::SIGH:: he'll always be Jake...annoying! I thought Charlie's reaction was pretty funny too. Although, if I had been Bella I would have been pretty upset with him. And Edward...he couldn't have handled it better. I wish I could have been Bella in that moment when he's giving Jake an earful with his calm velvet voice. He is a true gentleman...no matter what. <3

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
Definitely not. I thought it was funny.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
I definitely knew where those thoughts were headed, and I was eager to read what Edward's reaction would be.
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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
I wasn't surprised because we have kind of seen how stubborn Jacob can be. It was more of annoyance that he couldn't just accept Bella's complete love for Edward.
2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
I was shocked like Bella. I can't remember if I saw it coming initially, but what else would get Edward so annoyed with Jacob?
3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
I LOVED Bella's reaction. If someone stole a kiss from me when I had told them hundreds of times that I loved someone else I would punch them. I was sorry the Bella got hurt though because it didn't even phase Jacob. Gosh, he wasn't hurt or offended at all! That made me mad at Jacob. I didn't like Charlie's reaction either because I would want my dad to support my decisions. If I don't like a certain person kissing me then he should also help me convey the message to the same person. I knew Edward would be mad, but I loved how protecting he was of Bella and worried about her. I would want that in my boyfriend if someone had hurt me like that.
4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
No, I thought it was great and hilarious. They are brothers and of course they are going to make bets, especially about unpredictable Bella. It is one of my favorite parts in Eclipse, just another Emmett moment.
5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
I thought it was just the fact of having to look through everything in life and really think about what she is going to miss as a vampire. The sex thing was in the back of my head because Bella is always trying to push Edward a little further despite his pushing back.
Staring into his eyes always made me feel extraordinary-- sort of like my bones were turning spongy. I was also a little lightheaded, but that could have been because I'd forgotten to keep breathing. Again.

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
no i was just anoyed

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?
i thought it was so wrong!! yeah i was shocked! but i also kind of saw it coming too, Jake's just so loose from the head!!

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
Bella's reaction to the kiss was so right. Jake was stupid to think that Bella was kissing him back when she was just trying to get away. Charlie's was just wrong! it made me so mad... he should have been mad at Jake for kissing Bella when she didn't want to be kissed by Jake!! i hopes Edward would have killed Jake!! not really but at least punch him a few hundred times!!

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
yeah i did!!

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
i just thought that she was looking for a good enough reason to not be changed, but as she sees none good enought to even make her dought about not being changed she just doesn't think about that anymore.

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1. Were you surprised at how undiscouraged Jacob remained, despite Bella's assertions that she loves only Edward?
No I was not suprised thats just Jacob for you he can be extremely abnoxioius some times, and Jacob dosent want to believe that Bella loves Edward more than himself.

2. How did you feel about the kiss? Were you shocked like Bella, or did you see it coming?:I did not see this coming I mean Bella has to let go of Jacob, and for one split second she feals all the love for him and kissed him?

3. Everyone reacted so differently to the kiss. What did you think about Bella's reaction? Jacob's? What about Charlie's? And how did you think Edward was going to react?
I think Bella she feal bad for the kiss I mean what was that I know you love Jacob but you've allready said you love Edward more. I really am glad that Edward didnt explode it just shows how sweet he is, and how much he truly loves Bella.

4. Did you feel horror at the news of Jasper and Emmett's bet, as Bella did?
No there just being boys let them bet but Im really sure Bella isnt going to mess up while being a vampire when she has Edward by her side.

5. As you read the end of the chapter, what did you think had Bella particularly concerned when she mused, "Was there a human experience I was not willing to give up?"
Im not really sure about this quote maybe its about not being able to be with Jacob after she's a vampire I mean then they will be total enemies. OR MAYBE they could still be friends?
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Bella: Yes.

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