Chapter Fourteen: Declaration

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I think that she would have stayed with Edward if she knew the amount of pain she was causing Jacob. Edward knew that she needed to work out things with Jacob so that she could fully understand the decisions that she was making in her life i.e. becoming a vampire and giving up her soul.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

I think that he does and doesn't want to be the one to change her. On one hand, he doesn't want to take away her human life and her soul. He loves her so much that he is willing to sacrifice his happiness so that she can live as a human. On the other hand, he realizes that she is going to be changed because of her stubbornness and Alice's prediction. If someone else were to take her human life, he could never forgive himself because he knows that Bella wants him to do it.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

I think it is just a matter of society's view of marriage. Her mother raised her to believe that an early marriage was foolish and society taught her that anyone who marries before 30 is destined to divorce because they are too young. Growing up, she probably always told herself that she would be older when she married so that she would not make the same mistakes that her mother made.

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I think if Edward had told her, she might have decided it was best not to visit with Jacob after all. Although, the part of her that wouldn't be able to explain that to Jake without hurting him even further would have led her to go with him anyway..possibly with the intention of letting him down easy.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

I think the "selfish" part of him does. If he did change her himself, then it would truly make her his. She would always have a part of him in her, and their bond would be unbreakable (as if it isn't already lol).

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

As a child of divorce, I can definitely empathize with Bella on this subject. I'm sure that in her eyes, just because you're married, it does not guarantee a life partner. She already knows that they will always be together, and she doesn't need a marriage certificate to prove it to herself.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

I think that if the reader were not constantly reminded that there was a part of Jake they liked, then they might grow annoyed with the character entirely for trying to ruin something so great.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

Of course not. All is fair in love and war. Besides, when you've found the love of your life, I'm sure that you would do anything to keep them alive and safe.
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1.Yes I do think so,and it might've also helped her NOT break her hand.But everything happens for a reason...
2.Yes,and no.Yes because he knows she will be safe and happy,but no because he will see her turn and be in the pain.
3.I think she is afraid that she will go through what her parents did.
4.I think she is showing that a buy should be a friend,and that werewolves arent as cool as vampires*cough,cough* :]
5.No,she LOVES him.I mean,I would have him do that if it meant he would stay with me.ITs just a very very deep love,I guess...
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
Perhaps, Bella could have drew the line and kept Jacob from crossing it. But Jacob can be stubborn sometimes, so he might have just gone ahead and kiss her anyways.2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
In a way Edward wants to be the one to do it because it will be a small tie that binds them together, but he is hesitant because he believes that it will destroy her soul. Also Edward likes making Bella happy, so a small part of him is willing to do it because it is what Bella wants.
3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
Mostly the gossip and rumors that surround a young marriage like that. Her parent's marriage didn't end so well and Bella has had to live with the gossip that comes with a young marriage that is ended hastily.
4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
Perhaps because Stephenie is trying to show us how reluctant Bella is to the change that occured with Jacob. Her relationship with him has changed, and subconsiously Bella doesn't like it. So she makes the distinction between when there wasn't anything between Jacob and her, and then to after where she is confused and annoyed with Jacob.
5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
It is a little shocking but not by much because Bella loves Edward a lot, she just wants him to be safe. I think it is shocking only because we have become so used to the Cullens not taking human lives, that the mere mention that they might is a shock.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
i think that she would have done something to prevent it, but i don't think that would have stoped Jake from kissing her...

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
i know he doesn't want to be the one to chance her, but if it's him or someone else and she wants HIM to do it i can see why he says he would even thought he doesn't want to...

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
she's just scared because of all the stuff her mother has told her like i remember this line very well "stupid girls marry young smart girls go to college" ok it's not the true thing, but it's something along those lines

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
i think she makes this point just to tell us how Bella is kind of afraid or buged by the wolf Jake because she just wants Jake to be her friend and nothing more (i don't know if that makes sence to you people, but it makes perfect sence to me) :)

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
NO... i mean i would do the exact same thing!! i KNOW it's so wrong to even think about sacrificing someone to save the love of your life i know it's selfish, but i totally understands why she does it and if i was her i would even tell him to drink my own blood to protect him and make him stronger (i know he would refuse)!!

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

A: Possibly, but then there might always be a part of her that wondered silently. As much as I didn't like the kiss I think it was in the end necessary to clarify things for Bella.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

A: I think the thought of being the one terrifies him but I also think he doesn't trust anyone else except Carlisle to do it. But he accepts so much responsibility to everything that happens to her, I think he needs to be the one as much as she wants him to be.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

A: Her mother's influence of course. Plus, she hates attention and getting married so suddenly, so young, and to such a man as Edward is bound to draw the spotlight.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

A: I'm not sure but I feel the same way. There's cool Jacob and there's jerk Jacob and the latter made his appearance with the wolf.

5. Is it shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

A: One because we all consider things we never thought us capable of thinking but that doesn't mean we really want it. And we instantly feel guilty for thinking it as did Bella.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

probably. bella would probably have confronted jake on it.. and she wouldnt have realized how much she "loved" jake (ew) by the end of eclipse.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
maybe... he wants her to marry him (totally valid, in MY opinion) so he can have a claim (the ONLY claim) on her. & for bella i guess its kind of the same. NETSPEAK IS SO UNATTRACTIVE PLEASE FIX ME!. maybe? i bet he hates thinking that he wants do it.. if he does. since its so "selfish"

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
her mom i guess. and society. the time.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
the young jake.. she didnt love him. he was her best friend. the older, werewolf jake.. thats who she loves. who there were no secrets from. where and when things got complicated.

5. Is it shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
um.. i have a confession. i agreed with bella. and then felt shock at myself for thinking the same thing. (hahaha)
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2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
No. He would technically be the one 'killing' her. if he had a choice, i don't think he would say yes.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
No. She loves him and would do anything to keep him safe.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

Yes and No: I think Bella would've tried to stop the kiss because she wouldn't want him to get his hopes and hurt him because Edward was always going to be her choice. But, Jacob is Jacob, and we saw before he went off to fight in the battle that there's nothing he wouldn't do to get that kiss with Bella, so he would've kissed her regardless. Besides, he also tells her in the end that he knew it was a losing battle, but at least he has that "first kiss" with her. He cared less about his being hurt than Bella did.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

I don't think he does; he's not as selfish as he thinks he is, nor is he the monster he thinks he is. He knows better than she does what she'll go through during those pain-ridden three days, and he doesn't want her to go through that. But, since he knows what she wants more than anything is for him to be the one to change her, and he'd give her anything he could, then he'll be the one do it, although with huge misgivings.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

Her mother's influence seems to be the strongest influence, and you can't blame her - Renee and Charlie's early marriage didn't exactly work out. The next influence is the society in which she now lives. Although she doesn't usually care what others think of her, she does in the marriage context; after all, she's a product of the 21st century, not Edward's.

I don't think she'd be ambivalent otherwise - she loves Edward and wants to be with him for eternity, so it's not exactly marriage with him she's against - she's worried more about what her mother and the good people of Forks will think when gets married at 18.


4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

I think Stephenie was hinting at us that Bella would pick Edward in the end: because she loves ALL of Edward, whereas there were parts of Jacob ("Sam's Jacob") that Bella loathed because she couldn't relate or understand them. Bella's only in love with "her" Jacob, not the whole Jacob, and this likely made her decision between the two easier.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

No; I could understand her having that fleeting thought - which is what it was. It's not like she dwelled on it for any length of time. When you love someone that much and can't even imagine the thought of anything happening to them, you will do anything and everything to protect them, even it's morally wrong and horrifying.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
Yeah, I think. She would have tried to explain that she loves Edward and doesn't love Jake that way.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
Yes and no. I think he'd like it, and would also want his venom to change her. But then I think he would doubt himself on his control.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
It's the 21st century. XD

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
Edward is end game. ^^

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
No, I'd want the person I love to have better odds and if anything can help... But then I think it's sad. :(
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