Chapter Fourteen: Declaration

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

Well, I honestly don't think she could have stopped Jacob. I mean, he's Jake--the "pushy, obnoxious, moronic dog." He would have definitely gotten her, in my opinion. (:
As for the pain part... Possibly, because she would have most likely blushed, Edward would have probably read her expression, and a combination of the two would make him start firing off questions.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

Hmmm... Yes, but no. For the 'no' part, he thinks of it as taking away her life, her future. He doesn't want her to have to give up her humanity to be with him.
On the other hand, he knows she's going to get her change. If I was him, I'd want my venom in the reason for my existence, not someone else's.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

Well, her parents didn't exactly set the best example for her in the marriage department, and her mother constantly schooled her aobut how sensible people waited to get married. Then again, she wants to make it final, so that Edward couldn't just spring another New Moon-type act without warning.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

I honestly can't say I'm sure of my answer in this, but I think Mrs. Meyer's trying to show that Bella's in love with "her" Jacob, not the bitterly sarcastic version of him.

5. Is itshocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

Well, it was kind of just a random, errant thing that popped into her head from the mention of it. But then again, no, it's not. If I were as deeply in love as they were, I'd probably be thinking even worse things than that. (haha. I know, shame on me.) I would just want my Edward to live,/i] and I wouldn't care how I got him to.
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1. I think Bella would have realized what she was doing to Jacob, but beyond that nothing would have really changed. Bella already knows what she is doing to Jacob and to Edward, and she has already realized in NM that she is to selfish to change her relationship with Jacob.

2. I think that if she HAS to be changed, Edward would want to be the one to do it.

3. Her parents, obviously, and also Jacob, though she doesn't realize it yet.

4. Bella loves her Jacob, but not the new one. I guess that might be part of the reason that she is so careful about getting involved with Jacob-she knows that he has two sides to him.

5. Not really. Bella loves Edward more than anything, and she is only human.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob- kiss" from happening?----- Well, of course that would have made her acknowledge it and then of course she would have tried to stop it, but what in the world could she have done to stop him? Yeah, sure she could threaten to have Edward break his jaw but Jacob want to fight Edward anway so he wouldn't care. Face it, even if she wanted to stop him she wouldn't be able to.--------- 2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If I she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?------- Well, DUH, of course not!!!!!! He thinks that if she is changed she will become one of the eternily damned (sry 4 my bad spelling). Do you think he wants to be the one to do that to her????? Ah, OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!--------3. What does 'ambivalence' mean?----4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes and the "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenies purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?----- Well, I think it was to help us understand how big of a difference there was between Bella's luv 4 Jacob and her LOOOOOVVVEEE 4 Edward. because, if she only luvs half of a person how can that possibly stand up to her absolute dier love 4 Edward?-----5. Is it shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain advantage in the fight against the newborns? N not really. When you're in love with someone like they are to eachother, you wouldn't think twice about it at all. Luckily, because Bella's such a good person, she thought twice about it and she ven felt ashamed 4 thinking it.

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I think if Bella had known she might have been able to prevent the "Jacob-kiss" from happening, but she might not of. It depends on how determined Jacob really was.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

I think part of him wants to be the one to do it, but a bigger part doesn't want to cause her pain or take away her soul.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

She was raised to be against marriage at an early age and she is afraid of what people will think if she gets married right out of high school. On the other hand, she wants Edward to be the one to change her, and he'll only do it if she marries him.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

I'm really not sure; I never really thought about it.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

No, it's not shocking. Bella wants Edward to be safe no matter what.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
i don't think she could have prevented it....maybe she could have tried to stop it better but in the end jacob is stronger than bella and it would have happened anyways.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
of course he would want to be the one to change bella but then he doesn't want her to change and he would feel like he was damning her to hell and taking her soul, he wouldn't want to be responsible for that. but in the end i think he really wants to be the one to do it.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
pretty much what dragonrider713 said

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
i think this shows why bella is still friends with him and how the whole werewolf thing really changes a person

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
no not really i mean because she loves edward and she would do anything to protect him.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

Edward is learning to let Bella be Bella. He may know the thoughts of Jacob, but he has been learning to trust the thoughts of Bella. I know many times that I have assumed how someone is going to react to a situation, and they end up doing something totally different. I think Edward needs to know and let Bella have the reaction that she would have normally. If she had time to think about what was coming, would she be true to herself?

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

It seems in most relationships that we do try to change for the person we love. When a person wants to change for the better, then that is a easy answer of yes, but Edward does not see the change for the better, so I see the conflict he has.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

To Bella, marriage does not seem as permanent as the life change she is wanting to make.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

I have always looked at this as a maturity thing with Jacob. He reminds me of Jessica, where she is likable when she is nice but Edward gets to see the bitterness of her thoughts, Jacob lets he bitterness be said out loud.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

Not really. It was a quick thought that was also quickly dismissed. She wants him forever!!!

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

If she would have known about it then yes but she would have slapped him across the face.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

No because he loves her humanity. that's the part about her that he loves the most besides her scent, and personality.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

When you have to make an important choice that can either make or break your life.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

To distinguish the relationship between the two even though to bella there is none more than friendship.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

Yes, because she's usually against killing humans

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

That is definitely an excellent point, personally I think everything still would've happened BUT Bella would have thought about it and she would've realized it at the first kiss and told him that she loved him but it couldn't be...

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

I think as much as Edward fights with himself he's going to do it, its a huge sign of love between them and its what Bella wants so Edward won't be able to turn her down!

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

The break up of her parents, the only real love she has ever known broke apart. To her, marriage kills love and then Renee has drilled it into her mind as well.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

To drive all us Edward Lovers Jacob Haters crazy? haha well I think its to show that everybody changes and Bella is completely aware of this change and that with the "bugs the hell" out of her part its Bella trying to hide her feelings, if Jacob is bitter and bugs her then she can't love him right?

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

Of course not! If I was Bella I would have suggested the same thing, I would only be thinking about my love, the other part of me, and how I could keep him here with me and safe so that he would come back - thats what's running through her mind.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
Hmm. I don't think Bella would have brought it up with Jacob, just because it's rather an awkward subject, so I think everything probably would have happened as it did.
2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
I don't think he wants to admit it to himself, but yes, I do think since he knows she wants to (and will find a way to) be changed, he kind of wants to be the one to do it. He just doesn't want to tell her, since he doesn't really want to encourage her.
3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
That fact that marriage was "the kiss of death" for Charlie and Renee, and I'm sure Renee brought this up a lot over the years. Also, Bella doesn't like attention on herself, and she knows the wedding is going to being a lot of that.
4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
I think Stephenie brings this up to show us that Bella is maybe trying to convince herself that she can't love Jake, because most of the time she's annoyed by him.
5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
Looking at Bella and Edward's realtionship, no. He's her entire world, and no price is too high in her opinion for Edward to come back ok.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
I think it would have prompted her to confront jacob about it and make things clear to him. but i don't think it would have stopped jacob from kissing her.


2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
i think he does want to be the one to change her. Bella only wants to be changed so she can be with edward forever. its almost his duty to do it himself. but he still doesn't want her to become a vampire.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

i don't think ill ever quite understand that. i guess because of her mother, marriage was never something she desired, never something that was stable enough to wish for. especially when she has such a consistent personality and mind. Edward on the other hand is something that she wants forever. so the two must not run in the same circles for her.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
i think she was trying to hint at us that bella always liked jacob better when he was just trying to be bella's friend. it was easier and more carefree, which was the reason she went to jacob in the first place. the complicatedness of loving him shows how their relationship has changed since twilight and most of new moon.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

it doesn't surprise me that the thought at least ran through her mind. it emphasizes, for a short moment, how much she wants edward to be safe. she quickly dismisses it anyways.
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