Chapter Fourteen: Declaration

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Alda Rethe
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
I hope not, that and the following was a hilarious scene! Honestly, though, if Edward had told Bella what was up, Bella wouldn't have passed the La Push line, I think, not untill she figured out a way to confront Jacob. And Jacob's so stubborn and hotheaded (haha!) he'd kiss her anyway.


2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
I think so, for many reasons. One, Edward knows he can do it, knows he can stop. He's so overprotective, he doesn't want to risk Carlisle, trusty Carlisle, from making a booboo if he can help it. Two, it'll be the last chance he ever has to taste or smell her vastly appettizing blood. And, three, it'll be more personal and intimate, like Bella said. Who wouldn't want their true vampire love to turn them into a vamp?

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
It's another change, on top of everything else that will change! Her mother also brainwashed her into fearing such a drastic change, making an early marriage sound right up there with mass murder.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
Just so you (and Edward and Bella herself) realize the complexity of the situation. Everything isn't just black and white, she doesn't simply hate or love him. It's something everyone can relate to, because we all know some people who can be really cool and really irritating.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

It isn't shocking that she would consider it. You know you'd consider the very same thing if it would help protect some one you fiercely loved. What would have been shocking is if she actually let it happen or encouraged it. There's a distinct difference between thinking about something and physically following through.
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Re: Chapter Fourteen: Declaration

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

No. I think Bella knew she was causing pain. Maybe not the extent of it, but she still had to know. And I think the kiss still would have happened. Bella is so stubborn, she needs a big thing to make her realize that she is in love with Jake, and it also let her really see what she would be giving up.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

He doesn't really want her to be changed, and if she were, I doubt very much he's like if if someone else did it. Edward is possesive of Bella, in a way.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

She's too young. Everyone in town would gossip and think she's pregnant.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

Maybe becasue that's how it is. He's like two people and Bella (and I) like the nice jacob. The new, mean Jake is a pain in the donkey. Its only becasue we know that the guy we like is still in there is why we (or some of us, anyway, there are many anti-jacob's out there) still love him.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

A little. But I get it. Bella loves Edward so much that she values him more than a stranger's human life. The fact that she is SOO committed that she willl think that is scary, but I think fans have known for a while their relationship is mildly unhealthy.

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I don't think much could stop Jacob from kissing Bella at this point. He's wanted to do it for quite a while, and he's wanted to share his feelings with her as well. Bella already knew that she was hurting Jacob, but the (she said it, not me) selfish side of her doesn't want to give him up. She still has a strong connection to Jacob. If Edward had told her what Jacob was thinking, it would only serve to cause her more embarrassment.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

Yes...he's not eager to do it because he wants her to be a human. However, if she goes along with his one and only condition (which is discussed until Chapter 20?) of marriage, then I believe he will do it willingly. I still don't think he's 100% convinced that she's ready...and hopes he can buy some more time. I personally have a feeling that in Breaking Dawin she will tell him her thoughts on wanting "his venom" to poison her.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

It's due mostly to her mother's influence. I can understand that...due to my mom's disastrous marriage to my father, I KNEW I wouldn't get married for a LONG time...and I was 32 before I did. (However, if Edward had asked me....zero qualms.)

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

One of them provides her comfort; the other takes her out of her comfort zone. Bella didn't feel as much need to distinguish between the two parts of Jacob when Edward wasn't around. I think Stephenie wants to show what a huge decision she'll have to make between Edward and Jacob.

5. Is it shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
No..I mean, it was a split second thought. If we all knew what others thought in a split second, we'd be horrified.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I think it would have. I also think that maybe Bella would have tried to stop the kiss from happening. Maybe she would have decided not to join Jacob in La Push after all. That must have been hard for Edward to hear what he was going to say and then have to drive off. I was happy, though, that he didn't tell her what Jacob was thinking...that would have been a little awkward.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

Hmm...I think he does want to be the one to do it. Sometimes it seems like he doesn't but I think that is still tied into the fact that he would prefer that she stay human.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

I feel like a great deal of it stems from her parents divorce. I could see how it's hard not to be influenced by that. But, what Bella needs to see is that just because her parents marriage didn't work out that doesn't mean hers won't. Charlie and Renee were two very different people. Edward and Bella are two sides of the same coin.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

I think it shows that sometimes when a person grows up things change. People change. It's hard when you are close to a person and they are changing in a way that you don't like. I'm just thinking outloud here but maybe Stephenie is using Jake to show the reader something about Bella. I could be wrong and I'm not quite sure what we would be meant to see...so I guess I'll stick with my first idea.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

I was a little surprised but I understood where she was coming from. If the person I loved more than my own life was going off to fight and he might be killed I would want him to have any advantage possible.

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?
I think it could have prevented it, but I think it would have also made Bella upset. I think Edward did the right thing in not telling her. It was Jacob's responsibility to share his feelings with her, not Edward's.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
I think he does, because it is something she wants so badly. But yet again, as I type this, maybe not. Maybe he does not want to cause her anymore pain and condemn her to be soulless.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
The way her parent's relationship turned out.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
That's a good one. I think she is trying to show that there are good sides and bad sides to every character. I think that Jacob has the potential to be the most loveable character of the book, he just has to get over the Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of Bella phase. Maybe this is foreshadowing that he will triumph over this phase?

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
No because of the way she feels about Edward. But I think since she was so upset when she thought Jacob and the rest of the werewolves were murdering people, it is just a little hypocritical.

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