Chapter Fourteen: Declaration

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Chapter Fourteen: Declaration

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
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for question number two..

Bella grew up with her parents not being marry, I dont know how to explain it well but I do understand her reasons for her reaction about marriage. Marriage seems like a dangerous turn for her and I think she is like tramatize from her parents divorce

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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening? She probly would have done something to prevent it. I dont know, maybe just told Jake the truth right off (very nicely of course) and made sure he wouldnt kiss her.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it? I doubt it. He doesnt want to cause Bella any pain and he would technically be responsible if he did turn her. Plus he believes that he would be taking away her soul. Yup Id be reluctant too.


3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to? Probly her mom. And all the gossip it would cause.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book? Uhh...I know this is a stupid answer- but maybe to make you appreciate the nice Jake more?

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns? Not really. Its kind of a desperate ressort though. She can't stand to lose him.
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5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
For this one, I have to say no. And not just because he is EDWARD the epitome of perfect, but I feel like this is true in almost all cases of love. When you really love some one, when you truly, deeply love someone how could you not be willing to let a complete stranger die for them? I'm definetly not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's how it is. And not just for Bella, I feel the same way (sorry, strangers!)
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well Bella is just thinking that it is a loose thought but when it comes down to it she would be dead set against that decision she hadn't really taken in all of the consequences when she thought of it then realizing what she had just said (thought) she immediatly took it back saying that she was "horrified" to have even thought that
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I'm not sure Bella could stop Jacob from kissing her. He's bigger, strong and determined. I think it would have happened no matter what she said or knew ahead of time.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

Aw sweet Edward, tortured Edward. I know he doesn't want to be responsible for taking her soul which he believes does happen, but on the other hand he denies her nothing so he'll do it even if it tortures him that he took her humanity away, and he'll have to watch her suffering as a new born.He loves her that much.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

I have no idea it annoys the heck out of me. I guess seeing her parent's break up.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

Good vrs evil. People change, people grow up differently then when you were in high school?

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

Yes of course. She's human. She's a very compassionate person.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

That's an interesting point, I reckon so. :D

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

Yes AND No. He wants to be the one to do it because I reckon he would feel it was right. But then there's the fact that he doesn't even want her to be a vampire and he doesn't trust himself enough to stop himself from drinking her dry.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

It's strange, but I see her point. Why DO they need a piece of paper to signify the fact that she is Edward's and he is Bella's? Reassurance on Edward's side...

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

Show that he is two people in ways that Bella doesn't like. Also that as you mature, (opposites in Jacob's case) you see things differently.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

No, in that situation, if I were Bella I wouldn't care who died so long as Edward and the Cullens were alive by the end of it.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I don't think that it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain that she was causing Jacob, but I think that it would definitely have made it more awkward for Bella and she would have been able to prevent the kiss.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

Wow! Good question, I never even thought about what Edward wants because he just does things for Bella if she wants it. Um... I think that Edward might be afraid to do it, he hates giving in to let her become a vampire but that he also has to DO it because Bella wants it is probably hard on him. I think he is getting mixed feelings. I bet he wants to but not at the same time.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

Renee I think is to blame.

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

Because she is in love with the Jacob she likes. And she hates the bitter Jacob. This might be why it took her so long to realize that she was in love with Jacob.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

No, it was an errant thought and she is so desperate. It makes sense.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening? well, yes and no. Yes, because Bella would have brought it up sooner, instead of right before she left, and the conversation would have been longer and more sensible. No, because Jacob is very desperate, and would have still resorted to such extremes.
2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?
Yes and no again. Yes, because like Bella, he probably thinks that this HUGE sacrifice would tie them together in an unbreakable bond, and tie them together. And because it would make Bella happy. No because he is afraid of killing her. So the yes holds a lot of weight in his heart too.
3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?
The fact that the only (human) marriage she has had close contact with has failed, and Renee. Being a very moral person, on this one I have to agree with Edward.
4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?
I think part of it is to make a clear distinction of the love she has for Edward and the love she has for Jacob. To show readers that Edward IS her life, and she loves him all the time, where as she can be extremely angry with Jacob, and their relationship has many similarities of brother-sister love.
5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?
No, because Edward is her life. And the newborns are likking many strangers, and she could justify this thought by saying "If they DON'T kill the newborns now, MANY more humans will die," but this is strictly my opinion.
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1. If Edward had shared Jacob's thoughts with Bella (when he drops her off at the LaPush boundary line) do you think it would have caused Bella to acknowledge the pain she was causing Jacob and prevented the "Jacob-kiss" from happening?

I don't think so. She's lied to herself through their whole relationship about the depth of her feelings for him. I think if he told her, she'd just deny it. She's very much like Charlie, and remember what Edward said about Charlie.

2. Bella describes in detail why she wants Edward to change her. If she is going to be changed, do you think he wants to be the one to do it?

I think he does, but he feels that it's the worst thing he can do. He said he's very selfish, so I think he does, but he doesn't.

3. What can you attribute Bella's ambivalence about marriage to?

Society, her parents' marriage, and her own outlook on life. I think today we don't see marriage as that big a deal or something that we HAVE to do, which is how Edward sees it. Bella is a product of 20th century thinking/morality (to an extent).

4. Bella constantly makes the distinction between the Jacob she likes—her young friend and the bitter werewolf Jacob who "bugs the hell" out of her. What do you think Stephenie's purpose is in highlighting this throughout the book?

Jacob's changed; he's grown, evolved, and most importantly, matured. Bella can no longer see him as a lovable younger brother type figure. The new Jacob is mature, sexy, and aggressive. It would be so much easier if he stayed young, innocent, and sweet where she can pigeonhole him and keep their relationship where SHE wants it to be. Plus, you have to have conflict.

5. Is is shocking that Bella would consider having Edward kill a human in order to gain an advantage in the fight against the newborns?

I think it was one of those impulse thoughts. We all have them. For one second you think something totally horrible and the next second you take the thought back, which is what Bella did in the book.
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