Chapter Seven: Unhappy Ending

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1) What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett?Alice?

Well, with regards to the track records Rosalie mentions, I honestly have no reaction. I mean, when you think about it, from Bella's point of view, which is, of course, the one that has influenced us, she thinks its inevitable. She thinks that its a natural part of being a vampire, and, although it's not good, it happens.
Now, obviously, if we were told a short story from the POV of the human being killed, we would see the vampire as a violent, bloodthirsty beast, unable to control his urges. This is generally what vampire culture has taught us. This perception of them.
I'm on Bella's POV as well. I agree, but only because I 'know ' the characters. If the book was from say. . . . Victoria's POV, I would have seen her side, and most likely sided with her, and her killing humans.
I think Emmett killed maybe 3 people, Esme, 1, and Alice, none, because she knew from the start where she was going, what she was going to be, do.

2)What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

Well. I mean, it is Edward. I agree, I worship the ground he walks on, but agreed, he has flaws. The foremost being that he is a bit self-righteous and know-it-all a lot of the time. Before he met Bella. And, again, I stress on the point that we fellin love with him, and thought he was perfect, and put him on a pedestal because that is what the narrator, Bella did.
And, his. . . . . slight outrage is acceptable, since Rosalie came from the more well-known families. If she decided to go rogue vampire, they would all have been exposed. But, though a know-it-all, Edward is a gentleman, always. He really hated when women weren't treated well. And, this happened with Esme AND Rose, so he'd heard the thoughts in their heads, heard their fear, remembering those terrible things. So he sympathised with Rosalie a bit. But he still thought she was conceited and vain, and completely. . . Rosalie Hale.

3) Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

No, none of the Cullens helped her. N-O-N-E. I think that Carlisle really thought that those men deserved death, but, of course, wouldn't have done it himself. And, by then, he knew Rosalie's personality well enough to know that there was no way he was going to stop her. NO one could.

4) What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

They make more sense, yes, but she, like Edward, underestimates Bella's capacity to love. They think that they are vampires, so no human can love as deeply as them, need someone as much as Rosalie needs her mate, need someone as much as Edward needs Bella.
If Rosalie was quicker to understand this, then she'd be a bit nicer to Bella. But she is so conceited that she doesn't, and she won't.
Also, she's obviously jealous. Edward, her brother, who she was actually made for, didn't think her a suitable mate, and this, of course dealt a blow on Rose's psyche. And for Bella, a plain, insignificant little girl to come, and capture Edward's, and Rosalie's entire family's love, that's just unacceptable to her.

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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
I wouldn't have thought they'd have killed very much. Emmett perhaps around 5 people, alice not very many at all, maybe 1 or 2. Esme I would imagine around 5-10

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
He probably couldn't stand her when she was human, and probably saw her as a "jessica or lauren". Remember, he could also read her mind, so he knew how unpleasant her personality was.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
No, I don't think they would have helped her. I don't think Carlisle would encourage it, but maybe he accepted that for her to get closure she had to do it, bearing in mind they had taken everything she'd her wanted away from her forever, such as having a human life and be able to have children.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
Yes, I think they do make sense. Bella can have everything rosalie ever wanted, and shes throwing it away. Rosalie may see that as a slap in the face.

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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice? It was kind of interesting. I guess Esmes almost clean, Emmett...atleast 5, Alice- none, shes awsome like that.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed? Im glad he didnt like her- if he did, then his and bella's story wouldnt exist. *shivers* the horror!


3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people? I doubt any of them actually helped. Carlisle probably didnt like it, but its Rosalies choice right *shrugs*

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story? Yeah, much better. Id be mad too. I mean bellas basicaly throwing her life away...or atleast thats how she sees it.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
Emmett probably too many. Alice a few and Esme not many

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
i think he was right at being mad that Carlisle changed someone who was really know in her town.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
no i don't think anyone helped her, because no one would want to help her and it was her moment to enjoy the pain of those who hurt her so much.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
i think she's right at not liking bella because even though she had the enjoyment of the pain of the men who hurt her i think i would have prefered to die than survive and have killed them even if i enjoyed it

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Re: Chapter Seven: Unhappy Ending

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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

A: Esme is so much like Carlisle in caring and concern that I think her number is extremely low. Others? Not sure.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

A: I think sometimes he thinks like Rosalie. He wouldn't have chosen it for himself and so he didn't like that Carlisle had did it to her as well.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

A: No, I don't think anyone helped. It's not in them. She's colder in that way. Carlisle was devastated I'm sure but he never stopped loving her as his family.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

A: Quite.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
I don't think it really matters about their track records.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
I could understand his reaction.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
I don't think any of the Cullens helped her. I think Carlisle was disappointed that she did that.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
They make much more sense now.
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Re: Chapter Seven: Unhappy Ending

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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
i think rosalie got a little caught up in the moment.. maybe she shouldnt have told bella about the wedding dress and how easily she killed the guards... that was a little creepy. but its cool to know, not necessary though, how many people rose has.. killed?
esme: im pretty sure the # is really, REALLY low (like below 5), if there are in fact any people she has killed at all
emmett: at least 2 (for sure.. emmett tells us this in Twilight)
alice: like esme.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
its.. normal. agreeable. i probably would have reacted the same way.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
i dont think they did. but if it was anyone, it would be eddie. and if he did i would want to know THAT story, for sure.
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& Carlisle was probably mad.. but it was what it was. i thought it was fair pay back. okay well, maybe a LITTLE harsh. but whatever.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
i felt i knew rose a LOT better. and i understand her reasons. she really does care for bella.. kind of like eddie (but definitely not as much) in that sence
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Re: Chapter Seven: Unhappy Ending

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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
She doesn't like to be a vampire, I think that's important because she refuse to drink human blood. Her revenge was neccessary and something really important for herself, so no problem. How many they've killed? Mmm, I don't think Esme had killed too many people, maybe 5 or less. Emmett no more than 10 and Alice, I don't have idea.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
Like the one he had with Bella, the soul. Maybe he was worry because like she was going to be the future wike of a King, the people would talk a lot probably of her disappearance.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
No, I don't think anyone helped her. He maybe understood the importance of this to Rosalie.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
Yes, Bella has all that Rosalie wants, even a human future. Husband, sons, family etc. I understand more her feelings now.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
I think it's pretty scary, and I'm glad they are vegetarians. ^^

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
I think it was a rational response, seeing as she's very well known. I can see why edward acted that way.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
I don't think they helped her at all, I think maybe she went behind their back, Carlisle would never agree to that.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
They do. Although I think it's a little silly that she can't really like her. Just because she's jealous.
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I honestly don't think that Rosalie really truly HATES Bella. I think(even though I don't agree with rosalie) that Rosalie doens't want Bella to throw away her life if she's not sure about it. Vampire's are sensative to the emotions of everybody around them, they all have heightened senses, and I think that everytime Bella ponder's on the subject of Edward changing her, Rosalie feels that. That Bella is going to miss her old life, as a human, and miss her family and..... :shock: jacob. Rosalie just doesn't want Bella to give up everything, because unlike Rosalie, Bella has the choice.
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