Chapter Seven: Unhappy Ending

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Chapter Seven: Unhappy Ending

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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

I don't really care what the others' track records are. If you think about it, does it really matter?

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

His reaction wasn't totally unexpected. We all know how he feels about being a vampire adn "dooming" someone else to that life.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

I don't think any of the Cullens helped; I think she did it on her own. I don't think Carlisle approved, but probably understood why she did it.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

I think her reasons definitely make more sense now. We can see where she's coming from and why she feels that way.
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1.What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
I honestly could never see Esme killing anyone, just looking at how loving and caring she is I don't think she could ever harm a human. I could see Emmett slipping a few times but not as much as Jasper or Edward. And as for Alice she may have slipped maybe once or twice.

2.What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
I think his reaction was a bit over the top but I can see where he was coming from because he probably thought Carlisle was trying to play match maker.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
I think the only person who knew what she was going to do was Edward since he wasn't completely against this sort of action since he did it himself. Carlisle would probably disaprove of it since he doesn't believe in taking the law into his own hands, but he probably found out after.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
I still don't think Rosalie understands the magnitude of Edward's and Bella's love. I think if she was put in the same situation she would think differently of Bella.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
I say Emmett had the worst time, he was probably the front runner for mess ups. Rosalie, well I expected her to have more, though her story says she only killed a few people for revenge. And Alice seems very resilient to me. I've never imagined her killing someone, same with Esme.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
I think it's fair. Its like when an older sibling gets a new brother or sister, its almost impossible not to be a little bit selfish and be angry about it. Also, Edward is so opposite of Rosalie, unselfish, not vain, etc, he probably didn't like her personality from the beginning.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
I doubt they helped her, but I wouldn't be surprised if they let her go easily. Esme might have tried to talk her out of it, but I doubt she put her heart into it. For what those men did to Rose, it was justified.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
I think 1) Rosalie's mad she doesn't understand how much of a commitment being a vampire is, and wants her to want to be human 2) she is jealous Edward loves Bella so completely, because Edward was never attracted to Rosalie despite her beauty and 3) Rose might enjoy the superiority she feels with a human around, being so much stronger, faster, prettier, etc. than Bella. I think her story helped me get a grip on Rosalie being a real character. Before I thought she was just there for a bit of personality, to show that Bella isn't so perfect that everybody loves her, and to be annoying. Now I understand that she's a real person with a real story.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

I was genuinely shocked at Rosalie's track record. I mean, I knew she'd killed before, but I hadn't any idea of her reasoning behind it because it was known that she didn't drink their blood...
I cannot begin to fathom Emmett's track record. I'd be terrified to make a guess. =/
Esme I can truly say I don't believe has killed any human. Carlisle would have been able to keep her sane because of their bond.
Alice...is another story. I know that because of what happened to her made her confused. There was no one to guide her, to show her the ropes. She just woke up, alone, and I can imagine ravenously thirsty. :(


2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

I could understand his anger. He was still struggling with his own "damnation" so the thought of someone else being brought to the same fate would anger him more than anything. Not to mention the fact that he obviously felt some level of contempt for her before her change. I think that played a role in the reasoning for his anger as well.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

I don't think that any of the Cullens helped her, but there again, that's just me. I doubt very seriously that Carlisle or Esme would have been happy with her ideas of revenge. Edward might have understood them, but I doubt that he would have been willing to go out of his way to help her out. Those two have just been butting heads since day one. (*shakes head*)

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

They made perfect sense to me. I always knew that Rosalie was jealous of Bella in some way. Her behavior explained that fully and I never once had any doubt in my mind that it was because Bella was still human. Rosalie's confession to her in this chapter only confirmed what I already suspected, but I was able to empathize with Rosalie a lot more than I'd expected. Despite being a beauty queen with the world at her fingertips, Rosalie is still "human" after all.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
I highly doubt that Esme has killed as many people as Edward has. I have a feeling she wouldn't want to hurt anyone if she could control herself. I'm sure Alice probably killed a few people before she saw the vision of her going to Carlisle, seeing as she had no clue what was wrong with her.
2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
Ha ha, I thought it was funny. "Rosalie Hale?" I can see why he was concerned though: she was pretty well known, and it might be rather...obvious, if she disappeared.
3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
I'm sure Carlisle wasn't all "Hey, killing people, great idea!" I think, in some ways though, he would understand. It's not like she was killing them just for the fun of it.
4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella make lots more sense after hearing her story. You can see how much she wants these things you're only going to get in a human life, and she wishes she were in Bella's place. I also like her as a person a lot more now that I've heard her story. You can understand why she acts rather bitter some of the time, but she has good reason too. She was so close to everything she wanted, and then got it taken away.
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?
It's hard for me to imagine Esme "falling off the wagon" but I'm sure it may have happened as a newborn. Emmett we know has had a few mishaps and probably Alice as well, but I don't think it really matters since they are so devoted to their vegetarian lifestyles.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?
It may have been a bit overeactive but hey, it's Edward and that's why we love him! But, he has always been shaky on the taking of someones soul so its just an Edward thing.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?
None of the Cullens helped her, it was something she had to do on her own. Carlisle would've disapproved but understood why she needed to and let her go

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?
Both me and my friend were always upset about the lack of Rosalie in the story, we felt she was misunderstood and couldn't just be a pretty face in the story. Hearing her story was awesome, it made me admire her as a real person instead of just the hissing beauty of the family. Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella are completely reasonable now that we know her story. :)
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

Well, its no doubt that they are going to have some kind of record. Even though Rosalie never "drank" from anyone...she did kill people. I think Emmett may have the most next to Jasper. Alice, maybe one or two but not many. That would be a good question to as Mrs. Meyer....about all of the Cullen's track records

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

Edward wasnt interested in her. He probably thought that she was beautiful, but Edward can see what she really is underneath the beauty (i dont want to try to make Rose into a monster, because she's not).

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

No, this was all Rosalie. Rosalie was pissed, as would any woman would be. The only one who probably knew about it was Edward. Carlisle was probably a little upset, but understood.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

They do make more sense. I think it may have always been a little awakward between Rose and Edward because of his rejection, and when he fell for Bella, Rose got jealous. But i also loved this chapter because we get to learn more about the real Rosalie. I love her and Emmett! They balance each other very nicely. :D
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1. What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

Well, I really don't care about their track records because its been a long time since any of them have killed anyone. Its in the past. I can't really see Alice or Esme (especially Esme) killing anyone. Emmett I can definatly see messing up more than one or two times, but not like killing an entire village bad.

2. What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

I understand his reaction, I mean Carlisle made a descision that impacted the whole family. Edward's reaction was natural in my opinion. Also, you have to remember that Edward believes that vampires don't have souls and I can see why he wouldn't want anyone else to suffer the same fate as him.

3. Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

I don't think any of the Cullens helped her but they have to have known, since she was a newborn they would be looking out for her and its not exactly easy to keep any secrets (especially of this magnitude) in a house full of vampires. If anything, Edward must have known about it since he can read minds. I don't think Carlisle approved but he knew that it was her descision to make.

4. What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

Her reasons definatly make sense. Since she is already a vampire she has a better grip than Bella on what she would be giving up by choosing Edward. Her story helped me understand why she dislikes Bella. I don't think she's right because in the end its Bella's descision but I understand why she feels the way she does.

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What do you think about the track records Rosalie mentions, hers and the others? How many people do you think Esme has killed? Emmett? Alice?

Honestly, I was shocked by Rosalie's track record. After her story, it made more sense that she wouldn't want to harm humans, but I was very surprised that Rosalie had never tasted human blood, and I liked the fact that she hadn't. I had always thought of Rosalie as being a little bit of a jerk, even though I knew there was a reason for all of that, I just never saw her being the kind of vampire who hadn't ever tasted human blood.

Ah, I don't know about Esme's track record. It's hard to think of that - I can't see her killing humans. Of course, it's understandable because she was a vampire, after all. But I just don't want to think of that. I think she must have the most remorse after killing innocents.


What do you think about Edward's reaction to Rosalie being changed?

I think it was understandable. He was right, after all...she was very well known and people would be out there looking for her, and Edward was probably concerned about exposing themselves also, and having to move because of her.

Rosalie set out to kill the men who had harmed her. Do you think any of the Cullens helped her? How do you think Carlisle felt about her killing people?

No way, I highly doubt the Cullens had anything to do with it. They must've known about it - Edward had to have known the details better than the rest, and I bet he didn't protest against it. But I can see Carlisle and Esme against it somewhat, but not stopping her - it's her decision.

What do you think about Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella? Do they make more sense now that you know her story?

Definitley made more sense...however, there's still something about Rosalie that just bugs me. I guess I don't like the fact that she's so vain, and I think she needs to be more understanding for Bella also. It was nice for Bella to see things from Rosalie's POV, but I think Rosalie still underestimates Edward and Bella's relationship a little. You know the line where Bella thinks to herself, but more to gain in return? I wish she had said that outloud to Rosalie.
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