Chapter Twenty - Four: Vote

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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?

As a reader i never questioned Edward's love for her. But trying to see only from Bella's POV i could understand her confusion and disbelief. She's still young. Edward was her first real love.

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?

I wanted Bella to become a vampire but i didn't think it was going to happen right then and there like Bella did. I understand Edward's reasoning *to a point* but that doesn't stop me from wanting Edward and Bella together as they are for the rest of eternity. Rosalie's opinion seemed selfish to me. Sometimes i dont' think she should of ever been changed at all...Carlisle's opinion surprised me at first. I wasn't expecting him to agree to changing anyone who wasn't facing death but i guess Bella is choosing to become a vampire more than any other members of the Cullen family did (reading back on that, it's not meant to be a slam against Carlisle in any way)

3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?

I was stunned. I live in the same time period Bella does where 19 is a very young age to get married and my thought immediately went to what her family and friends were going to think. As far as Bella's reasons they are good ones - to her - this is the way she was raised so it's hard to think outside the box + she has her own parents falling out to look back on.

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?

It's hard to say. I felt like Edward in a way was using Bella's opinion of marriage to maybe delay her in becoming a vampire. Or he was showing insercurities of her staying with him for eternity once she was immortal. But the romantic in me wanted them to get married and do it Edwards way because..well it's hard for me to resisit Edward :P

Stepping out of the story for a moment i don't think it would be so terrible for Bella to delay becoming a vampire because i know for pretty much every --- high school sucks, college is where the fun starts to happen. --- so it would be nice for Bella to be able to experience this as a human.


5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?

I would love reading about Edward changing Bella both from the romantic part of it and the struggle that Edward may have. If someone else did it i dunno...i would accept it but i might feel a little cheated at first?

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1) I thought that Bella was perfectly right to be stunned. And that it made sense that she wasn't willing to believe that immediately that Edward loved her. For the fact that, he left her. And not just that he left her, but that he was gone for months. It was important for her to realize that he really did love her, and that somewhere deep inside of her, knew it.

2) I thought that the vote went exactly as I thought it would go, except for Rosalie's answer. I didn't really understand what Rosalie hated so much about her vampire life. I mean, she was gorgeous, had Emmett, it seemed like a pretty good life to me. Edward's vote was pretty expected, he only really left in the first place, so that he could keep her safe, and wouldn't have to end up biting her. I'm glad that Carlisle flat out told Edward that it was the only logical choice, that he can't really expect to live with her, and leave her human.

3)I was so shocked, and then I wanted to scream at Bella for saying a flat out no. If she had said something more like " I want to, but i have to think about Renee and I don't think it would be right for me to get married just yet." I don't think that she gave him enough reasons to really make her point understandable.

4)I thought that Bella should take edward's condition immediately. She had already proved that she couldn't live without Edward, and that there wasn't really anything else she wanted in the world. It was the key to getting everything she wanted, and why not sooner, than later.

5)I think it would be much more special if Edward changed her. It wouldn't be as signifcant if anyone else did it.
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1. I think it is very odd to think that she just now understood that he loved her. If he did not love her, would he be willing to destroy himself?

2. I Agree with everyone except Rosalie. It is not her choice, it is Bellas.

3. I actually gasped then sort-of hyperventalated from shock.

4. Of Course!

5. I would cry if someone else changed her and I would be angry. If Edward changed her, I would be jumping for joy!
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?
Answer: I knew the whole time that Edward loved her, which made reading New Moon all the more painful for me. But I understand how Bella could believe his lie. She didn't believe him because of lack of faith in how many times he pleged his love for her, she believed him because she had a bad selfesteem pretty much. I totally understand. I feel that way all the time.

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?
Answer: I'm so glad that, in the end, Bella's going to turn into a vampire. I just wished that they would do it sooner. And I think Edward is just being ridiculous about that (no offense Edward, I still love you!) And Rosalie is just doing what she thinks is right for Bella (even though she's totally wrong). I don't think that it's the ONLY loigical choice, but it's the best one, I think.

3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?
Answer: Yes, I was stunned! I couldn't breath! :P Now, if I was Bella, I would have said yes. What was Bella waiting for! :x Oh well, at least their still going to get married. :)

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?
Answer: She should marry Edward A.S.A.P. and then have Edward change her A.S.A.P.! Waiting is not required!

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?
Answer: When Edward changes Bella (the word IF is too painful) it will be so cool! If someone else changes her (which will not happen :!: ) then I would be very disapointed.
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?

I felt Bella was completly justifyed in believing edward didn't love her anymore. He'd been gone for to long. She had had too long to alow his message in the forest to sink in to her. To make herself believe what he had told her. So she was very doubtful of him, but not that he loved her, but that it was real.

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?

This is one of my favorite scenes. And i completly see why Edward or how edwards would be able to keep Bella as a human. I don't feel it was his most brilliant plan considering Janes powers, and probably Alec who i don't doubt has an amazing ability like Jane. But i complelty understand his train of thought. It would be possible, though i would aggree with the girls in saying no to his plan. I also understood his fear of Damning Bella soul. But i believe Carlisle more. I believe they will move on to heaven. Though I still like Bella's thought better that she doesn't need Heaven with him. ANd she's right. If she immorital they'll live together forever. If she's not and let's say she die's and she goes to heaven and Edwards is right and he goes to hell they'll be seprated for all eternity. But Edward is being protective, and it's sweet and in many ways, he's right.

Of course the other Cullens don't have the same train of thought as Edward seems to have. And they all are really fond of Bella, and have experinced first hand how Edward is without her. They see that they have this bond that not only seems to be unbreakable, it's effecting Edwards life, they know what he wants to be with her forever and that makes them respond the way they do. They also don;t want to lose him, like they almost did. Carlisle would be devistated. And i completly aggree that this is the only logiacal choice.

On Roselie's responce. I felt thouched by her. I saw a different light on her. She isn't all bad, she just trying to pervent Bella from making a mistake, and if i were Bella i would be heartfelt by her answer. In away she's almost jelouse of Bella for getting a human life, for having what she doesn't have, and She doesn't want Bella to throw that away so easily and i admire that about her.



3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?

I was shocked, but so happy. i hadn't expected and i ws dazed. If i were Bella i would have said yes right away. Not because of the alternative that i would get, but because i'd be binding myself to edward. However i do understand her reasons for saying no. She's hasen't had a good view on marriage, because of her parents, she might be seeing it as something that's distructive to people's loves. and she is young so it mskes scence that she doesn't want to marry so young, but on the other hand, she wants to be with him FOREVER and she is going to become immorital to be with him, and it's almost like she's making the same level commitment as immortality, but she doesn't see it like that. She see's marriage as almost to binding,- like immortality isn't.

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?

I really don't see the point of her stay mortal for longer then she needs to. It doesn't really make scence to me she made up her mind, and like edward says Bella is stuborn so a few more months or years isn't going to change her mind, it;s just going to cause unecissary arguments. However i do feel she should marry him- mstly because it's something he wants. Edward is so selfless to me at least, he almost never asks something from her that isn't something that's not for her own good, and despite this being something that will be for her as well, it something he really seems to want. And considering that they'll be almost married anyways when she becomes immprtal, it shouldn't be that much of a deal.

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?

I would be extreamaly happy that Edward did it. It would be a romantic scene to write, and very interesting to see how edward feels when he doesn't and I think it's like there binding together even more. She's only going to get one time at this and she rather it be with someone special then just wiht anyone. It means the world to her for him to change her. Becuse it's him. If someone else did it, they wouldn't have that connection, he would be her creater, it would almost seem wrong for anyone else to do it.
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?

I felt Bella was completly justifyed in believing edward didn't love her anymore. He'd been gone for to long. She had had too long to alow his message in the forest to sink in to her. To make herself believe what he had told her. So she was very doubtful of him, but not that he loved her, but that it was real.

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?

This is one of my favorite scenes. And i completly see why Edward or how edwards would be able to keep Bella as a human. I don't feel it was his most brilliant plan considering Janes powers, and probably Alec who i don't doubt has an amazing ability like Jane. But i complelty understand his train of thought. It would be possible, though i would aggree with the girls in saying no to his plan. I also understood his fear of Damning Bella soul. But i believe Carlisle more. I believe they will move on to heaven. Though I still like Bella's thought better that she doesn't need Heaven with him. ANd she's right. If she immorital they'll live together forever. If she's not and let's say she die's and she goes to heaven and Edwards is right and he goes to hell they'll be seprated for all eternity. But Edward is being protective, and it's sweet and in many ways, he's right.

Of course the other Cullens don't have the same train of thought as Edward seems to have. And they all are really fond of Bella, and have experinced first hand how Edward is without her. They see that they have this bond that not only seems to be unbreakable, it's effecting Edwards life, they know what he wants to be with her forever and that makes them respond the way they do. They also don;t want to lose him, like they almost did. Carlisle would be devistated. And i completly aggree that this is the only logiacal choice.

On Roselie's responce. I felt thouched by her. I saw a different light on her. She isn't all bad, she just trying to pervent Bella from making a mistake, and if i were Bella i would be heartfelt by her answer. In away she's almost jelouse of Bella for getting a human life, for having what she doesn't have, and She doesn't want Bella to throw that away so easily and i admire that about her.



3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?

I was shocked, but so happy. i hadn't expected and i ws dazed. If i were Bella i would have said yes right away. Not because of the alternative that i would get, but because i'd be binding myself to edward. However i do understand her reasons for saying no. She's hasen't had a good view on marriage, because of her parents, she might be seeing it as something that's distructive to people's loves. and she is young so it mskes scence that she doesn't want to marry so young, but on the other hand, she wants to be with him FOREVER and she is going to become immorital to be with him, and it's almost like she's making the same level commitment as immortality, but she doesn't see it like that. She see's marriage as almost to binding,- like immortality isn't.

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?

I really don't see the point of her stay mortal for longer then she needs to. It doesn't really make scence to me she made up her mind, and like edward says Bella is stuborn so a few more months or years isn't going to change her mind, it;s just going to cause unecissary arguments. However i do feel she should marry him- mstly because it's something he wants. Edward is so selfless to me at least, he almost never asks something from her that isn't something that's not for her own good, and despite this being something that will be for her as well, it something he really seems to want. And considering that they'll be almost married anyways when she becomes immprtal, it shouldn't be that much of a deal.

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?

I would be extreamaly happy that Edward did it. It would be a romantic scene to write, and very interesting to see how edward feels when he doesn't and I think it's like there binding together even more. She's only going to get one time at this and she rather it be with someone special then just wiht anyone. It means the world to her for him to change her. Becuse it's him. If someone else did it, they wouldn't have that connection, he would be her creater, it would almost seem wrong for anyone else to do it.
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?

I felt Bella was completly justifyed in believing edward didn't love her anymore. He'd been gone for to long. She had had too long to alow his message in the forest to sink in to her. To make herself believe what he had told her. So she was very doubtful of him, but not that he loved her, but that it was real.

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?

This is one of my favorite scenes. And i completly see why Edward or how edwards would be able to keep Bella as a human. I don't feel it was his most brilliant plan considering Janes powers, and probably Alec who i don't doubt has an amazing ability like Jane. But i complelty understand his train of thought. It would be possible, though i would aggree with the girls in saying no to his plan. I also understood his fear of Damning Bella soul. But i believe Carlisle more. I believe they will move on to heaven. Though I still like Bella's thought better that she doesn't need Heaven with him. ANd she's right. If she immorital they'll live together forever. If she's not and let's say she die's and she goes to heaven and Edwards is right and he goes to hell they'll be seprated for all eternity. But Edward is being protective, and it's sweet and in many ways, he's right.

Of course the other Cullens don't have the same train of thought as Edward seems to have. And they all are really fond of Bella, and have experinced first hand how Edward is without her. They see that they have this bond that not only seems to be unbreakable, it's effecting Edwards life, they know what he wants to be with her forever and that makes them respond the way they do. They also don;t want to lose him, like they almost did. Carlisle would be devistated. And i completly aggree that this is the only logiacal choice.

On Roselie's responce. I felt thouched by her. I saw a different light on her. She isn't all bad, she just trying to pervent Bella from making a mistake, and if i were Bella i would be heartfelt by her answer. In away she's almost jelouse of Bella for getting a human life, for having what she doesn't have, and She doesn't want Bella to throw that away so easily and i admire that about her.



3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?

I was shocked, but so happy. i hadn't expected and i ws dazed. If i were Bella i would have said yes right away. Not because of the alternative that i would get, but because i'd be binding myself to edward. However i do understand her reasons for saying no. She's hasen't had a good view on marriage, because of her parents, she might be seeing it as something that's distructive to people's loves. and she is young so it mskes scence that she doesn't want to marry so young, but on the other hand, she wants to be with him FOREVER and she is going to become immorital to be with him, and it's almost like she's making the same level commitment as immortality, but she doesn't see it like that. She see's marriage as almost to binding,- like immortality isn't.

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?

I really don't see the point of her stay mortal for longer then she needs to. It doesn't really make scence to me she made up her mind, and like edward says Bella is stuborn so a few more months or years isn't going to change her mind, it;s just going to cause unecissary arguments. However i do feel she should marry him- mstly because it's something he wants. Edward is so selfless to me at least, he almost never asks something from her that isn't something that's not for her own good, and despite this being something that will be for her as well, it something he really seems to want. And considering that they'll be almost married anyways when she becomes immprtal, it shouldn't be that much of a deal.

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?

I would be extreamaly happy that Edward did it. It would be a romantic scene to write, and very interesting to see how edward feels when he doesn't and I think it's like there binding together even more. She's only going to get one time at this and she rather it be with someone special then just wiht anyone. It means the world to her for him to change her. Becuse it's him. If someone else did it, they wouldn't have that connection, he would be her creater, it would almost seem wrong for anyone else to do it.
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?
Her epiphany was a bit funny to me. Her subconscious trying to tell herself Edward loved her and what-not. I kind of guessed that much. Her hallucinations that Edward wouldn't want her hurt were pretty much screaming "Edward loves you" in Bella's face, but she was so doubtful from the beginning that she couldn't hear it. Was she justified? I think so. Now she's finally grasped it that she is Edward's love and she wont be doubtful any more. Yay!

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?
The vote...I hate voting, anywhere, but for Bella, I think it went perfect! I understand Edward's reasoning, his choice, but that doesnt mean it's the right choice. I also understand Rosalie's. She would never have chosen the life she has now for herself. And, I think she is jealous of Bella. Carlisle's explanation is that it's logical...which it is!! If Edward and Bella can't live without each other, the Volturi will come to get her, and they all (except Rose and Edward) would like Bella to become a vampire, then of course that would be the only logical choice!!

3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?
I was super stunned. I kind of read on with a daze. And Edward was serious!
Bella had some good reasons for saying no to him, though. Although immortality just for Edward, with Edward, is very similar to me, it isnt to Bella. She grew up with parents who's marriage didnt turn out so well, plus her mother kept telling her smart girls get married later. Plus she's only 18. Plus (this is my reason) the wedding would be a big deal itself.

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?
I think Bella should marry Edward.
I do not think she should become a vampire as soon as possible, but I dont think it should be delayed for over a year. (This is from Eclipse but I'm using it as facts) When Bella wanted to get changed into a vampire because she was scared, I think that was a bad idea. Because I think Bella should be prepared and calm to leave her parent, and Jacob, and the human world behind. Not when her life is at stake (although that too makes sense). But if Bella is going to become a vampire, two years is way too long.

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?
It would be the most romantic, meaningful, thing if Edward was the one to change her. It would make it more official than any wedding that she is his. If someone else did it, than it wouldnt be the same. It would just be someone bit her, now she's a vampire. If Edward does it, it would be like Edward is choosing, or rather, excepting Bella as a vampire, she is his, etc.
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?

I don't know about justified... she certainly had enough evidence to believe he loved her. But, its excusable that she didn't accept it. She was too insecure to belive it. These things happen.

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?

I understand Edward's reasoning, but his cause is lost. I get Rosalie's reasoning, but I think its mostly selfish. She made the vote about Bella all about herself. Carlisle is right: given that Edward and Bella have chosen to be together, its the only logically choice.

3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?

I was stunned, because that alternative hadn't crossed my mind. Bella's reasons for not marrying him were frustrating to me because they didn't have anything to do with her feelings for him or the relationship that she wanted to have with him.

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?

I was up in the air about the marriage. I was all for giving it more time for her to become a vampire because I feel like she needed to evaluate the decision more fully.

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?

I'm not really hung up over who chaqnges her. I guess its romantic for your loved one to be the one to make you undead... but it just seems like it will be unpleasant no matter what.
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1. What did you think of Bella's epiphany? Do you think she was justified in believing that Edward didn't love her and that the fact that he really did stunned her?

I thought it was a bit ridiculous that she didn't know he really loved her till that very moment, in a cute, naïve way. Hadn't he just spent the whole night telling her how much he loved her? I'm glad she had her epiphany though, it explained the whole thing in Port Angles and beyond (:

2. How did you feel about the way the vote went? Did you understand Edward's resoning? What about Rosalie's? Do you agree with Carlisle that it's the only loigical choice?

I think the vote went well, I was a bit surprised to see that Rosalie still felt that way. I didn't quite get her reasoning. As for Edward, I understand his views, but I'm not sure if he's fully grasped Bella's idea of love and him (same for Bella)

3. Were you as stunned as Bella was when Edward asked her to marry him? How do you feel about Bella's reasons for saying no to him?

I didn't know Edward felt the need to get married (: I thought their love was already cemented, I was shocked at Bella's reaction though, but after remembering the whole Charlie-Renee-thing I understood why. They say that your beliefs and values are secured before you turn nine, so anything after that is a bit hard to really stick to. Bella was raised to marry old, her whole child-hood was a reminder of what happened when you settled too 'early'. Although Bella's fears are a bit irrational, seeing as how her love for Edward is irrevocable, they are also very real (to her anyway)

4. At this point in the series - ignoring what you know from Eclipse - do you think Bella should marry Edward? Do you think she should become a vampire as soon as possible? Or do you think she should stay mortal for a while longer?

I'm split. I think she should become a vampire ASAP just because it will ease her thoughts knowing that she's going to be with the Cullens forever, and that Edward can't do anything to stop that, but that she should save Charlie and Renee the heart attack by not getting married at-that-moment.

5. If Bella were to become a vampire, how would you feel if Edward was the one to change her? How would you feel if someone else changed her?

It would really show the extent of their commitment. Not that I'm not convinced already, you know with the whole thirsty but not the least bit tempted thing in Italy onward. If some one else changed her I think I would be ok with that, I'm not sure what'll happen if Edward changes her. I think he might feel too guilty about the pain he puts Bella in and just suck the venom out, which would help no one in the long run (: but still.
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