Chapter sixteen: Paris

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[b]2[b]. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart? [/b][/b]

Well.....
I think its very hard for her - on the one hand she has to find some way of 'having' Jake but yet she doesn't really feel for him in the same way as she felt for you-know-who, cough EDWARD cough.
I think when stephanie meyer is doing all of the comparison with Romeo+Juliet, its a way fo saying how Bella feels and infact she does enjoy Jacob's comapany - he looks after her - but yet he lets her take risks (so she can be all 'edward speak to me' etc).
However overall she couldn't do it - she had already given so much of her heart away to - shush - EDWARD that it would be somthing to 'work' on, and i think if she did 'hook up' with Jacob he wouldn't NECISAIRLY (i cannot spell - sorry) give her time???
Its very hard to determine because we know what happens - but still.....
I totally love Jake and all By the way, but -
I dunno. :lol:
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1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
Personally I would not want to confide any of my feelings with anybody but that is just me. On the other hand it is clearly evident just how depressed she is to everyone around her so why state the obvious? With that said it would only make her appear worse off if she admitted to hearing his voice when she did things he would consider dangerous.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
Yes it would be settling for him and even Bella understood this. it would not have been fair to him. He may have felt that a part of her was enough but as time passed I think it would have ate him up inside to know that she was only with him because it was the closest thing to her true love. If I was in that situation it would drive me crazy to know that the man I loved never really did love me completely for who I was and what Icould do for him.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
It is only fair to Jacob to find a girl who could love him as much he would love her. After all what kind of love is it when you never feel the reciprocation?

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
That should never be areason to try and hold someone. You can not force a person to love you no matter what you have done for them. If you do then you don't deserve their love. Love should be given freely and accepted freely with no strings.

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
As much as I love Shakespeare I will have to say the love of the two couples does not compare. Romeo was a fickle boy who loved to be rowdy and was supposedly "in love" with Rosaline. Just how much love could he have had for her when all it took was one glance at Juliet to change his mind. Did Romeo even understand what love was or was it just lust that he felt? Romeo and Juliet never really spent any significant amount of time together. They secretly wed, had sex then that was it till they died. Now bella and Edward have spent their time getting to know eachother and knowing how they feel apart and together.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
Oh goodness just think if she had not investigated why the car was there! I do not see how it would be considered masochistic. A true masochist intentionally seeks out pain in their relationships, Bella does not do this. When Bella is with the Cullens she is happy and goes out and does things, she is so much more alive. They as a family just complete a piece of her that she never knew was missing. How is it wrong to be so happy with them?

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is 'healthier' ?
They both have their pitfalls. When Edward is gone you see just how big a part he had in Bella's life. Yet when they are together she is never so much alive. The down side to the relationship of Bella and Jake is only obvious. She is using him to fill the void Edward left behind in her. It is not fair to either of them. Edward is the healthier choice for her (not just because he is so perfect *sigh*) becuase when she is with him she is whole again and is able to appreciate even more the frienship/love she feels for Jacob.
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1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?

I don't know if she should have, but I think that if Bella would have told Jacob things might have gone differently between them. I think he would have understood what that a lot of their relationship was founded on her need to foster halucinations.

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
I don't think Bella should "hook up with Jacob" in the traditional sense, but I think they could have something really amazing if she'd let it happen. The thing you learn (especially after marriage) that there are days when you are ecstaticly in love and days when you are content and not unhappy. I'm not sure she would have the first with Jacob (not for a while) but she would definitely have the second. I think Jacob would eventually become the other part of her wounded heart.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?

No. Bella is in thte same position as far as she knows (Edward has no feelings for her), and she can't move on either. In Jacob's case, I'm not sure it's a choice, but even if it is, I don't think he should because he would always wonder what would have happened had he held on.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?

That's not a reason to try to be with someone. It will turn to resentment (owing someone I mean).

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?

Yes, becasue it is doomed from the star. Edward and Bella are definitly star-crossed lovers. I suppose it's different that Romeo never killed any of Bella's family and there is not actually anyone forbidding them to be together.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?

Let me start by saying that I think Jacob was right to react the way he did. And as far as Bella is concerned, even though she might not ought to have gone back (and caused herself more pain or even death if it were a ploy) she had to go back. I've thought about how that must have felt and I would have had to have gone back. I think that Bella's relationship with the Cullens is so strong based on the fact they actually take care of her (which she is not used to, even by her parents), and that someone totally understands her (which she says she is also not used to). Bella is mature for her age, but the Cullens are in perfect youthful bodies, with older minds, and it fits so completly. So, yes, perhaps it is masochistic, but I can see why.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is 'healthier' ?

Jacob and Bella's is healthier. She can be more herself in some aspects. Although, I think her and Edward have the only kind of reltaionship they could, and they handle it well. It would be quite intense to be so connected with someone the way they are; even Bella and Jacob don't have that. But I do love that Jacob knows Bella so well.
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1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
I think it would depend what Bella would think his reaction was to it, or if Jackob would tell Billy of Charlie.


2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
If Edaward didn't try to kill himself, or waited for at least a few more months, it would have made some sort of sense. Even though Bella wouldn't be healed completly.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
Since he's a werewolf, I really think he should wait, because he might imprint and have to leave Bella(if she wants to go with him)

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
Not to block him completly out of her life, to still keep her frindship with him as much as possible

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
It differs beause Romeo and Juilet are both human, so theres no risk of one of them getting hurt like it's possible in Edward and Bella's relationship. One reason how its simaler is because in both stories, tales, whatever you want ot call it is like a forbidden love story


6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
She might have wanted to, to maybe see if somehow it was a different car,to find evedence that it really is a cullen car. And i don't know how to anwser the last part

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is 'healthier' ?
Bella and Jackob's relation bifferes from Bella's relatonship with Edward is tht the bond between Edward and Bella is stronger, like soul mates, it kind of lie that for Bella and Jake but the connection isn't as deep. And I would think that bella's and Jake's would be a little healthier because it might not affect he as much as when edward left, but not by much
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1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
I think it would depend what Bella would think his reaction was to it, or if Jackob would tell Billy of Charlie.


2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
If Edaward didn't try to kill himself, or waited for at least a few more months, it would have made some sort of sense. Even though Bella wouldn't be healed completly.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
Since he's a werewolf, I really think he should wait, because he might imprint and have to leave Bella(if she wants to go with him)

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
Not to block him completly out of her life, to still keep her frindship with him as much as possible

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
It differs beause Romeo and Juilet are both human, so theres no risk of one of them getting hurt like it's possible in Edward and Bella's relationship. One reason how its simaler is because in both stories, tales, whatever you want ot call it is like a forbidden love story


6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
She might have wanted to, to maybe see if somehow it was a different car,to find evedence that it really is a cullen car. And i don't know how to anwser the last part

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is 'healthier' ?
Bella and Jackob's relation bifferes from Bella's relatonship with Edward is tht the bond between Edward and Bella is stronger, like soul mates, it kind of lie that for Bella and Jake but the connection isn't as deep. And I would think that bella's and Jake's would be a little healthier because it might not affect he as much as when edward left, but not by much
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1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
I think it would depend what Bella would think his reaction was to it, or if Jackob would tell Billy of Charlie.


2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
If Edaward didn't try to kill himself, or waited for at least a few more months, it would have made some sort of sense. Even though Bella wouldn't be healed completly.

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
Since he's a werewolf, I really think he should wait, because he might imprint and have to leave Bella(if she wants to go with him)

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
Not to block him completly out of her life, to still keep her frindship with him as much as possible

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
It differs beause Romeo and Juilet are both human, so theres no risk of one of them getting hurt like it's possible in Edward and Bella's relationship. One reason how its simaler is because in both stories, tales, whatever you want ot call it is like a forbidden love story


6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
She might have wanted to, to maybe see if somehow it was a different car,to find evedence that it really is a cullen car. And i don't know how to anwser the last part

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is 'healthier' ?
Bella and Jackob's relation bifferes from Bella's relatonship with Edward is tht the bond between Edward and Bella is stronger, like soul mates, it kind of lie that for Bella and Jake but the connection isn't as deep. And I would think that bella's and Jake's would be a little healthier because it might not affect he as much as when edward left, but not by much
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sorry for posting so many times i can't get post to delete and my computers was salow so it posted four instead of just one
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again..
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ok last one sorry about that
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1. Should Bella confide in Jacob about Edward, her hallucinations, and her depression?
yes. even though i disliked jacob, i thinkhe could have helped her

2. Would it be settling for Bella to hook up with Jacob? Should Bella try to find happiness with Jacob even if she can only give him part of her heart?
not really, a.because i dislike jacob, and b. because sooner or later jacob will imprint on someone [[since he hasnt imprinted on bella]] and he will leave bella heartbroken. [[even though they didnt talk about imprinting in new moon]]

3. What about Jacob? He loves Bella despite her strictly platonic feelings towards him, but should he wait out for someone who loves him as much as he loves Bella?
yes. bella only loves him with part of her heart, and the other part is for edward, i doubt that would be enough for jacob.

4. How do we factor in the fact that Bella now owes Jacob her life both physically and emotionally?
i dont want her to avoid him, they should stay friends =]

5. Is Romeo and Juliet's relationship similar to Edward and Bella's? How is it and how does it differ?
yes, i do see a ressemblance, 1. because of the forbidden love thing, and b. because romeo left juliet as edward left bella. they differ in a way because juliet never really liked paris, while bella loves jacob.

6. Should Bella have chosen to investigate Carlisle's car? Is her relationship with the Cullens masochistic?
Bella's relationship with the cullens is not masochicstic in any way. Bella is more free and more happy when she is with the cullens.

7. How does Bella and Jacob's relationship compare with Bella and Edward's? Which one is 'healthier' ?
Jacob and Bella's seems more playful while edward and bella's is more intense and i can feel their love, truly. I think edward is "healthier" for bella, even though he says it isnt, bella is more comfortable with edward and we all know now that she cant possible live without him, without going into hysterics again.
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