Chapter Nine: Third Wheel

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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?

Yes, I think she's still thinking about that, but mostly because Angela's her friend. Real friend.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?

Because it was their special place. The meadow where everything fell into place. And she thought Edward would be mad because it would cause Bella pain.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?

Because Jacob has nothing left live for but Bella.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?

Both.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?

Jess never was a 'true' friend to Bella, she just hung out with her for purely social and gossiping reasons. It's just like Jess to swtich sides. Someone like Angela would have been more understanding and more caring about Bella's feelings.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?

Edward had warned Bella to stay out of the woods alone and even if Jake was with her there would still be the dangerous 'bears'. Plus chapter thirteen of TW was so incredibly magical, how could Bella not hear Edward when she retuened?

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?

Some people are moe outgoing than others. And of course Bella means the world to Jake.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?

I think Bella was considering Jake as more than a friend because it would please Charlie and it would please Jake, those are two of the humans she cares about the most.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?
Yes, I do think Jessica's reaction is justified. She should have handled it differently though. What Bella did the night of the bar incident would have been scary to any friend, and it is understandable that she wouldn't want to go through that again or have anyone else.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?
The meadow was Bella and Edward's "Place". It had really meant something when Edward showed the place to Bella. And that day became a very signifigant memory because many good things happened with their relationship.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?
I believe that Jacob draws upon past experiences to keep confident and on-going. He's a mechanic, and when building a car it takes a while to find all the parts and put them all together. And there are bumps along the way; maybe the engine won't start or something keeps blowing up. But he got the Rabbit working, didn't he? It may take a few tries, but I think Jacob believes he could make a relationship between him and Bella work.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?
I don't see it as a betrayel of heart, and I think it is smart of her to think about moving on. In Bella's mind, she truly thought they had abandoned her and were most likely (if not fully) not coming back. Nobody wants to be alone for the rest of their life, and it wasn't like she didn't love him in a way. As shown by the fit she threw when Renee tried to take Bella with her, Bella didn't want to leave Forks. And Jacob can't really leave the area permanently since he became a werewolf, so it seemed to fit that they could have a future.

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1. Um.. I don't know about justified, but explicable. She's a silly, superficial and selfish girl, as we've known all along. She tolerates Bella because the new girl in town can boost her social capabilities. Anyway, Bella's behaviour in Port Angeles is justification for Jessica deciding not to go on the group outing. However, siding with Lauren, the only obvious Bella-hater in town, and furthermore trying to convince others not to go is ridiculously petty vengeance.
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2. I did not understand why Bella tried to find the meadow as a way of bringing back Edward's voice. She had already visited the Cullen house, but had discovered that memories did not cause the voice to return. I think it was the masochistic part of her that ached for some evidence that he had been real, and not her desire to hear him again.. because that doesn't make sense.

3. There are numerous reasons, I think, for Jacob's persistence with Bella. Certainly, he recognises her need for him. Perhaps he interprets this differently to how it is meant, and sees more hope than there is? Also, he is profiting from Edward's absence. He realises how fragile Bella was left, and understands that he is the one who can make her feel better. We know he was always interested in her. I think another reason for his confidence is perhaps his physical attributes. He is tall, and goodlooking. And he knows the boys in Forks do not measure up to him, pun intended.

4. I don't see that Bella is actually considering making Jacob more than a friend.. only, claiming him as her own. She speaks words to this effect at different points in New Moon. She realises she could never love him as she loved Edward, as Jacob loves her. It would be a betrayal of her own heart, and I think she sees it this way. But she does also recognise the need to move forward in life, despite that she knows she will never get over Edward. She is being practical in considering Jacob. However, there is a part of her which aches for Edward, that she cannot quench, which is no doubt the reason why it was so hard for her to entertain the idea of sealing her fate with Jacob.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?

i'm not really sure, i thought it was kind of odd, but i didnt really regard it very much. i didnt think it was a necessary point to make in this book.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?

Since that was the most special place she was with Edward, she probably thinks that its possible to feel his presence there. Therefore, she wants to expose herself to the pain of remembering her and Edward there in exchange for the hope of hearing his voice.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think his reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?

he's so freaking stubborn! haha. he seems invulnerable to hurt at this point in time.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?

Betrayal of her heart. She can still love Edward and move on. She doesnt need anyone else.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?

Umm, yeah, since Bella wants to bust up in a bar with weird guys..... but Jessica doesn't know the whole story.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?

Because the meadow is just so Edward. It seemed like the obvious choice to me.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?

Because he's Jacob, and giving up is just not in his vocabulary.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?

Ok, so at the point in the story I was really seriously thinking that Bella was going to be with Jacob and Edward was going to come back and steal her away (because he never stopped loving her and, obviously, she loves him) and Jacob would be all "Rawr!" But I was thinking that she can't wait for him forever, even though I would, because, unlike him, she doesn't have forever.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?
In a way they are Justified but not to that extent. Jessica's tatics i feel were quite extreame. but then again i didn't feel like she was really a good friend for/to Bella in the first place.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?
The reason why is because that was Edward's special place. He and Bella had a special moment and bond there. So she felt that maybe seeing the medow my bring his voice to her.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?
I am not really sure. It could be because he saw that she was truly broken. He felt that he could "fix" her. And that she would see that Edward was a bad person for leaving her. He feels a bond with Bella and i guess he felt that he could show her that bond then she would love him.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on? I do not see this as betrayal i see it as human. And plus she believes that Edward dosen't love her any more and will never come back. She feels lost and with Jacob there to love her she feels that she should move on for the people around her. to her Edward was never coming back.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?

No, I don't think it was justified. It just confirmed to me how much of a *beep* she was.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?

It was the place that she connected as purely Edward's.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?

He doesn't think Edward is coming back, and he has this endless amount of faith and hope that is so annoying yet so cute.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?

It is only normal that she begins to feel this way. I've felt this way. She just begins to see things as they are, and realizes that Jacob is potential. I don't think it is a betrayal. It is always possible to love more than one person, but it is your actions that make the difference.
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[quote="Alphie"]These questions come from the lovely Twix!

1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?

YES AND NO, I THINK SHE IS SCARED THAT BELLA WILL DO THE SAME AGAIN. SHE SHOULD ALSO BE HELPING HER FRIEND THRUOH THIS TOUGH TIME.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?

BECAUES IT WAS A SPECIAL PLACE FOR THEM.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?

HE MUST BE VERY CONFIDENT, ALSO HE THINKS THAT BELLA WILL SLOWLY FORGET ABOUT EDWARD THEN TURN TO HIM.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?[/quote]

I GUESS SHE WANTS TO HONOR EDWARD WORDS AS IN THAT SHE WILL FORGET.
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1. Jessica switches allegiance by siding with Lauren and convincing others to not go on the group outing. Do you feel that, based on Bella's actions the night of the bar incident, her reaction is justified?
Definitely not. Jessica(in my opinion) has no clue what true love is. She could not possibly understand how Bella is feeling, and Bella can't exactly explain to her what's up. When your friend is hurting, if you are a REAL friend, you stick by them no matter what.

2. When the motorcycle loses power to summon Edward's voice, Bella begins to search for the meadow. Why do you think she chooses this as her next attempt to conjure his voice?
Because the meadow was a very strong place for Bella and Edward's relationship. It was Edward opening up a bit, and Bella falling deeper in love with everything about him.. finally being able to really touch him, to see him.. If the meadow brought on such strong feelings in the first place, I think Bella believed she could get those feelings back, as well as a little piece of her Edward.

3. Bella is amazed that Jacob never gives up on pursuing her, despite rejection after rejection. She wonders where he gets the confidence. Based on what we know of Jacob, what do you think he reasons are for being so confident and not giving up?
I think Jacob does not give up because he doesn't believe that Edward is coming back. And I think(as caring as he is in New Moon) that he understands that Bella is weak, and eventually she'll grow to love him anyways. He doesn't seem to mind playing "rebound" boy.

4. Bella knows that part of her will always love Edward, yet she begins to entertain the idea of Jacob being more than just a friend. Do you see this as a betrayal of her heart, or is she smart to press forward and think about moving on?
I think that Bella was losing faith. She had a reason to. Months had passed with no words from the Cullens. She couldn't just leave Jacob hanging like that, especially if he was the key to her happiness. I don't care how mad people got for Bella to think about Jacob being more than a friend; I believe that if she thought Edward really wasn't coming back, then she should have moved on. Bella's a great character, and deserves to be happy.
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