Chapter Seven: Repetition

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Chapter Seven: Repetition

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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?

I think she wanted to both hear Edward and feel freedom. Her depression has made her feel very closed-into herself, very claustrophobic. I can't think of a better cure for that than flying through the open air.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?

I think he wasn't told because they couldn't be absolutely sure whether Jake would change. Do I think he could have handled it better? No. It's easier to accept the impossible if you have living proof before your eyes. Plus it must be the most paranoid feeling, expecting to change into a giant wolf any second.

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?

I think the comment is innocent, but it may be indicative of deeper feelings that Jacob has about Bella being "poisoned" by the Cullens, who I doubt he could ever trust-he has been hearing bad stories about them all his life.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?

I don't think Bella wants to believe it could only be temporary. At the moment, she's clinging to the only hope she's had in her life for a very long time.
I don't know if she'll use him as a "fix", but I think he will be someone to talk to in Eclipse, since the Cullens all seem to be on Edward's side in things, and Jake is one of the few who knows what's going on, and could give a different perspective.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?
I think Bella felt chained and wanted to really let go of everything; all her worries and sadness. Though I do think she also wanted to hear Edward. It was something she needed to feel after everything she went through.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?
I think Billy didn't tell Jacob because he may have thought that Jacob might not become a werewolf. Also because of his involvement with Bella, who was "with" the enemy. I do think that Jacob may have handled it better if he had known about it from a long time ago, instead of thinking it was superstition. But that may have complicated things with Bella.

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?

I don't think Jacob really mean to make it anything deeper than a comparison. There is the chance that the hidden meaning could be that he thinks Bella is still apart of the Cullens.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?
I think Bella thought that she may be able to heal because of Jacob, meaning the fix. But I don't think Bella really thought it would be temporary. His being there was helping her, like a fix, but not fully healing.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?
Bella has been a good, responsible, honest person her whole life even when the people she respects and loves the most (Renee, Charlie, Edward) haven't been. Bella wanting to break her promise to Edward about being safe is the key to her "irresponsible" behavior. She feels betrayed by Edward who did not keep his promise to her. She doesn't want to be the only one keeping promises and fights back the only way she can. By doing this she gets a feeling of absolute freedom. This time, it's Bella breaking all the rules.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?
I'd believe that Billy didn't tell Jacob because he didn't know if he would change, but nobody seems to be telling Quill anything. Given his ancestry there seems to be no doubt that he will change. I think it depends on the situation, if knowing the truth helps handling the situation easier. I keep trying to picture Billy explaining the whole werewolf thing to Jacob. This is a situation where I don't think prior knowledge would have helped. Because of this, I think that might be why Billy wasn't forthright with information.

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?

I believe Jacob's comment was innocent, but I question SM's innocence in writing it. It is a small comment, but I've begun to learn that SM weaves small comments and unexplained situations into the story and then later, ties them all together and creates a big picture. There are many small comments and unexplained situations revolving around Bella. I've tried to piece together a picture, but nothing seems to plausibly fit. I think Bella is a more complex character than she appears to be.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?
Bella and Jacob's unequal relationship bothered me. I don't believe Bella considered it temporary, but I do believe she considered it second best. She didn't love Jacob. I'm not criticizing Bella, she was doing the best she could, trying to move on when her heart wouldn't let her. What else is a person to do when their true love is gone? I hope she doesn't continue to use Jacob as a fix through Eclipse. Although she considers Jacob her best friend, she's has made her choice. To continue to put Jacob in the middle would be cruel and that would be uncharacteristic of Bella.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?

When I first read about her plans to go cliff diving, I thought her first and foremost motive was to hear Edward's voice. She had really been counting on hearing him in her head, and it sounded like that was the only thing that got her through each day. The "absolutely free-unthinking and utterly irresponsible" component kind of existed already with the motorcycles when she first discovered she could hear is voice. And lastly, I thought there might have been the subconscious notion at the back of her mind that she might die while cliff diving and be put out of her misery without intentionally committing suicide.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why they were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?

I don't think he would have believed it. I think Billy felt Jacob needed to actually experience the morphing into a giant dog, rather than just being told about it. Also, had Jacob been told at the beginning of New Moon, he might have tried to rebel against his fate. By keeping the truth from him, Billy could have been ensuring Jacob would become one of the pack.

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?

To me, paleness shows sickness. I thought of Bella's zombie months as an illness for her, albeit a mental one. The paleness kind of showed how she felt; sick, tired, and very sad.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?

During New Moon, Bella was so convinced of Edward's change of heart, I don't think she ever even considered the thought of him coming back to Forks. So if Jacob was her "fix" then, she probably expected him or someone like him to be her fix for the rest of her life, or at least time in Forks. But I'm afraid she kind of burned that bridge when she left to save Edward, and when she chose him over Jake. So it's unlikely he will still be her fix of all is not well with her true love.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? She's looking for ANY and EVERY way to be dangerous in Forks. Cliff diving is a perfect solution.
2)Jake's lack of belief in his father's silly superstitions is apparent in Twilight. Besides, what teenage kid is going to take his father's word for something as ridiculous as a "real werewolves"
3)I believe that albino comment is stressed again because the book is told through Bella's perspective. She already thinks of herself as a pale freak so of course having her best friend reiterate that belief fuels Bella's perception of herself.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? At this point in the story NO I don't believe that Jacob is a temporary fix at all. Bella undeniably believes Edward is NEVER going to come back. She really is trying to find a way to help her through the pain of losing Edward. An analogy for Jacob would be like a prosthetic body part that restores some of the previous mobility and function but it is never completely healthy and strong as the original. (Only Jacob is so much better than plastic body part or a silver hook)

Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward? I sure hope not. Jake deserves more than being the rebound guy all the time.
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I don't think anything's going to "upset her about Edward" in Eclipse! I think she has gotten over using Jacob as an annodyne. She understands more completely just how much Edward is in love with her; Jacob is never going to be what he once represented to her, even if all it ever came to was friendship.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?

I think it can be both. She wanted to get back at Edward for breaking his promise. But mostly she knew that if she did something dangerous she would most likely hear Edwards voice again.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?

I think he wouldnt have believed Billy. He already thought Billy was being superstitious, so I think he would have thought Billy was crazy if he had been told the truth.


3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?

I dont really think much was meant by this. I thought that comment to be quite comical actually.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?

I dont think that Bella realized that her friendship with Jake would ever be temporary. Bella truly loves Jake (as a friend, of course) and believed that they would remain that way, She even considered the possibility of Jacob being hers...She realized that they were kindred spirits. I dont know what is to come, but I hope that they remain great friends, no matter what.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?
I agree with Alice'sGrandma on this one. Bella was doing the only thing that would "set her free" in a sense. She had completely kept her promise to everyone. When Edward left it crushed her. The only way that she could see to act was to break the rules as well. Primarily the request of Edward to stay safe. I almost think that she was putting herself in danger not only to hear his voice, but also for the glimmer of hope that he might be secretly watching her, and then come and rescue her from a guaranteed situation.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?
I don't think he knew if he was going to change or not. You can't exactly tell someone that big (when it concerns them) if it may not happen. That is life altering.

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?
I think Stephenie will somehow weave this in later. She does tend to do this. But, for now it is an innocent comment. Bella has been catatonic, of course she is pale. She lost her soul mate, that is about as near to dying as one can get.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?
I think Bella always saw Jacob as being the next best thing. She didn't feel complete like she did with Edward, but she could smile with him. That is at least something. She didn't know if Edward was going to come back, and so it was like she was trying to fill in the hole he left her with with anyone that made her feel somewhat "alive" again. I'm just hoping she doesn't make this too big of an issue in Eclipse. Putting Jacob in the middle of the two of them - He needs to move on too; just like she tried to when Edward was gone. I would be extremely disapointed if that is the case.
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1)Why did Bella want to try cliff diving? Do you think it was because she wanted to hear Edward's voice again or she wanted to be 'absolutely free'"unthinking and utterly irresponsible?' OR do you think there was another, deeper issue?
I agree with Alice'sGrandma on this one. Bella was doing the only thing that would "set her free" in a sense. She had completely kept her promise to everyone. When Edward left it crushed her. The only way that she could see to act was to break the rules as well. Primarily the request of Edward to stay safe. I almost think that she was putting herself in danger not only to hear his voice, but also for the glimmer of hope that he might be secretly watching her, and then come and rescue her from a guaranteed situation.

2)Why wouldn't Billy tell Jacob what was going on with Sam, and Jacob's friends? (as to why the were acting strangely). Do you feel Jacob could've handled and understood the truth if he was told at the beginning of New Moon?
I don't think he knew if he was going to change or not. You can't exactly tell someone that big (when it concerns them) if it may not happen. That is life altering.

3)Another albino comment is made, not by Bella this time but by Jacob.
'I've never seen anyone paler than you except for---,' Jacob says.
Why do you think Bella's paleness is mentioned yet again? Is it a comparison between the 'light' side and the 'dark' side, an innocent comment on Jacob's part or' something else?
I think Stephenie will somehow weave this in later. She does tend to do this. But, for now it is an innocent comment. Bella has been catatonic, of course she is pale. She lost her soul mate, that is about as near to dying as one can get.

4)Bella calls Jacob her 'fix' on page 162. A 'fix' is something to make you feel temporarily better in regards to your physical or emotional health. Do you think Bella realizes that her close friendship with Jacob, throughout the first ¾ of the book, might only be temporary? Do you think he will continue to be her fix throughout 'Eclipse' if something upsets her about Edward?
I think Bella always saw Jacob as being the next best thing. She didn't feel complete like she did with Edward, but she could smile with him. That is at least something. She didn't know if Edward was going to come back, and so it was like she was trying to fill in the hole he left her with with anyone that made her feel somewhat "alive" again. I'm just hoping she doesn't make this too big of an issue in Eclipse. Putting Jacob in the middle of the two of them - He needs to move on too; just like she tried to when Edward was gone. I would be extremely disapointed if that is the case.
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