Chapter Six - Friends

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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

ok for one i think everything changed. but that might just see how i see it.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

The dream changes in her vision of what werewolves look like and wich one is jacob. Also i do believe that contact with jacobs family has changed her perception.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year? She now has friends and knows the people around her.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

i think that charlie likes the new bella but is a little hesitant about her relationship with jacob. I do think he knows that most of it is jacobs doing.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

I really wasn't sure what the plot line was. I thought maybe something new was being introduced.
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1. Bella was affected the most directly but anyone who was close to her was also affected because of her extream response to the Culllen's departure.

2. The message was given at the end of Twilight that she was being watched by someone in the tribe. Given that Sam was the one who found her it would stand to reason that he is keeping an eye on her and the situation. I agree with the previous post that Bella's dreams always mean something.

3. I love this question! When Bella moved to Forks she wanted to be invisible so that she would not draw attention to heself and become a spectacle. When she started "waking up" after Edward's departure she realized that she had not only lost Edward but her friends as well because she had been unable to engage in their conversations and activities. She was invisable and everyone had stopped caring. She was going to have to work harder to be accepted again than she did in the begining. Being invisable means that you are alone.

4. I felt so bad for Charlie through all of this. He has been at such a loss for what to do with Bella so of course he is cautious as she shows signs of coming around. Charlie likes Jacob and is appreciative of his positive influence but at the same time would be concerned that Bella could be hurt by another broken relationship.

5. Ah, the bear. I knew that something was up with it. There is too much weirdness surrounding its appearances. I still wasn't sure what was goning on but I knew it had to be big.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

Bella seems to be the only one affected by the Cullens leaving. I think that the hopsital must miss Carlisle but other than that the rest of Forks doesn't seem to notice. In some ways that is what is so disturbing (as the reader) because it was eerie the way the rest of the town didn't change.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

To me Bella seems surprised that Sam Uley wasn't friendly to her in her dream and that he wasn't offering her any help. I think that now that she has had the chance to know Jake and his family/friends better that she is surprised by that because everyone else has been very open and welcoming.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?

I think that reason why Bella doesn't want to be invisible now is that she is realizing what an effect Edward's leaving has had on her. She was in too much of a daze to see it before. I think that this realization is scary for her. She really is trying to make her way back as best as she can and looking for any kind of support and reassurance that she can. Thankfully Angela is the kind of person who would still be there for you.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

I think that Charlie knows that Bella has been going through the motions for him for a long time and he is hesitant to believe too quickly that Bella is getting better. I think that he feels that most of it is due to Jacob and perhaps that makes him nervous too because what if Jacob can't be there either, what will happen to Bella?

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

I unfortunately had a spoiler and found out some things ahead of time so I can't really say how I would have felt if I didn't already know.

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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

Nobody was a close to the Cullens as Bella was. Therefore their absence hits her harder than it does anybody else. As people tended to ignore the Cullens at school anyway, it doesn't make a big difference they are gone. Only the people at the hospital may be affected a bit because they miss Charlisle. Apart from that, nobody is affected. At least not the way Bella is.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

I don't know if her subconcious mind is already trying to tell her about things yet to come. So far, all she knows about Sam is that he seems to be the leader of some kind of gang. I don't think that at that point, her perception already changed.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?

She usually doesn't like attention, that's why she wanted to be invisible last year. Now, however, she just wants to be as normal as possible. As all dreams of an extraordinary life are gone for good, she just want to make sure she behaves as ordinary as possible. Maybe she also realized that some people felt hurt by her strange behaviour and therefore she wants to go back to normal.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

Charlie, like every father, is worried about his daughter. He has experienced what Bella was like after Edward left. Now that she starts feeling better and acting normal again, I guess he is quite relieved even though he is still doubtful if the change is a permanent one. I think he knows or at least can guess that being with Jacob helps Bella a lot.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

I read some spoilers beforehand so I already had a pretty good idea of what it would turn out to be in the end.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
Everybody's affected by the Cullen's leaving! Not necessarily directly, but seeing as Bella zones out after their departure it affects a lot of the high school kids, and it affects the hospital and the town because Carlisle, the best doctor, is no longer there. Then you have the police station, because the Chief is fretting over his zombie-daughter. So yeah, pretty much everybody has indirectly been affected.
Nothing has changed because the other people at school and in town are still the same. None of them has changed from last year when Bella arrived. Lauren is still as nasty, Mike is once again her faithful Golden Retriever, and Angela is still the nicest girl in, probably, all of Forks.


2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
Yes, because Jacob isn't very fond of Sam, he's actually quite scared of him. I don't think Bella really had much of an opinion on Sam before that, except that she didn't really want to think about him because he reminded him of the day Edward left. So Bella is going from having a neutral view of Sam, to not liking him at all.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
Because now no one realizes she's there at all. She's not happy about the way she's acted this year, how she's tried to fool everyone and failed completely. She's not happy that she has no clue what is going on in Forks, either if it is that she hasn't noticed Lauren's new haircut, or that she didn't know when the new people started to sit at their table. It's not that she wants all eyes on her; it's more that she wants to at least get her existense acknowledged.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
Charlie is surprised, and even a little worried. He doesn't know how long it'll last; is it permanent or just a phase? Will she go back to her old zombie-state? I'm sure he knows that Jacob is a big part of it, but he hasn't yet realized how much of it is because of him. He is however very happy that Bella wants to spend time with him, and encourages her out of hope that she will be able to return to her original old-self.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
I was sure there was more than just a big, black bear, that there was something special about it, but I couldn't quite place a finger on what it was! I can't even pretend that I knew it would prove to be a werewolf, cus I really had no clue. I realized it later in the book, and before it was revealed, but at this point in the story I was clueless.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

Well, I think that the people down at La Push were affected in a pretty big way, but mostly, like at Forks High, it stayed the same. Her friends, maybe, though, drifted away from her.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?


At first, Bella didn't know Sam very well, and then, she finds out from Jake that he's "bad". So her dream changed to tell her something.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?


She wants things to be normal, for people to treat her like someone else. In the beginning, she was new, and shy, but now, she feels like she *needs* to be normal.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

I don't know if Charlie knows the full extent of how much Jacob's helping. He doesn't know how long Bella will last before she breaks down again- if she does.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

I didn't know it would turn into what it did, but I knew something was going to happen. Stephenie wouldn't create a monstrous black bear for no reason.

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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
I think Bella is the only one truly affected by the Cullens leaving. Charlie is a close second, just because he's impacted by Bella's depression. Since most people didn't interact with the Cullens, due to their instincts, they weren't going to miss the Cullens at all. Almost a good-bye, good-riddance kind of thing.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
I think Bella's dream changed because of getting involved with Jacob and Sam was initially the one that introduced Jacob to Bella. That she was more accepting of those of the tribe and knew Sam was the one that found her in the woods.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
Now that she is awake, she realized she needs the social interaction as a way to heal.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
I think Charlie is thrilled about Bella 'waking up', but still wary that she'll slip back. I know Charlie attributes her changes to Jacob.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
Yes, I was getting a clue now that the 'bear' was becoming more important, since no one could truly say it was a bear, and would somehow play a role, but I couldn't quite figure it out yet.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

The Cullens didnt interact with anybody in their school besides their family(who's "graduated") and Bella. Bella became dependant on Alice and Edward.. She alienated herself from her friends to be with them. since nobody at school knew them, instincts told them to stay away. The only way they were impacted was they were at some sort of ease.. Her friends are a different story. They have to deal with the depressed bella.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did
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I HAD NO CLUE. really... I had no clue why some humongous bear would be in Forks. I was suspicious that the bear was Edward or sent by Edward.. or had something to do with Edward *blushes* But I just wanted SOMETHING to do with Edward because I missed him so much..

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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
Well, Bella is truly the only one affected, since she's really the only one that talked to them. Nothing has changed because no one really payed attention to them when they were there so they really don't notice that they are gone now.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
The dream is different because now Bella is getting closer to Jacob. Well, when Sam found Bella she really didn't know him, but when Jacob told Bella about him she has it stuck in her head that he's not a very good person.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
She doesn't want to be invisible now because she doesn't want anyone to talk to her and when she was invisible everyone wanted to talk to her to get to know her.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
Charlie is worried and appreciative of how she is changing. Charlie is grateful that Jacob is having an impact on Bella.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
Well, I had an idea that this "bear" would have an impact on the story later on. I still thought that it had something to do with Edward.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

I imagine everyone in the story is affected by their leave, though none to the same extent or magnitude as Bella. The people at school have to adjust to their sudden absence from all their classes, the teachers no longer grading their work, the citizens (and lonely nurses :wink:) no longer having Carlisle at the hospital, and the La Push gang no longer worrying about the "blood suckers." But other than just adjusting, nothing has really changed in Forks. It still rains, people still go to school and work. It's just as monotonous, but even worse for Bella now she no longer has them.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

The dream is different becaus of Jacob. Bella had practically no contact with him during the Edward era, and then she's suddenly seeing him more. Bella also knew nothing about Sam, except that he was the stranger who found her in the woods. Now Jacob's added description of him and his own opinions have helped her gain an idea of what he is like.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?

Last year, Bella just wanted to fit in. She didn't want the attention from everyone because she was new; she didn't like the stares and questions. Now, she finally has what she wanted originally; she's just a figure in the background as the novelty has worn off. But now she's afraid if she becomes invisible, she might disappear completely.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

Charlie knows his daughter well, having lived with her for the past two years. So he was able to immediately sense the change in her behavior, and it doesn't take a lot of imagination to connect it with the Cullen's departure. Consequently, he can also immediately recognize the change back to the old Bella, somewhat, and as the change came around the time she started visiting Jacob, he could easily put two and two together. He probably credited it entirely to Jacob (as well as their conversation in the "Waking Up" chapter).

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

For awhile I had no idea the black bear was one of the werewolves, but I knew it would be important to the story or else Stephenie would not have spent so much time and books space talking about it. The werewolf component, however, was a complete surprise.
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