Chapter Six - Friends

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Chapter Six - Friends

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These questions were provided by the lovely Seraphyn.

1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
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1) Change is such a fascinating concept. Everything in Bella's existence seems to have changed with the Cullen's moving away. She cannot breathe, she cannot listen to music, she walks around in a fog. To Bella the world is completely different so it surprises her to find her friends seemingly the same. Jessica is still a gossip, Lauren is till catty, Angela is still sweet and Mike still wants Bella. This seems be pretty typical for anyone's experience. I would imagine though that to each of these characters the world has changed as well, not from the Cullen's departure, but from the events in their own lives. Perhaps Angela's whole world is spinning with the love she feels for her boyfriend and how they have grown together in the last four months. Perhaps Lauren is still excited about her chance to become a model. No one knows what the person next to them is going through and often we can't conceive that they are as happy or suffering as much as we are.
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1. It seems as if Bella is the only one affected by the Cullens leaving. (Minus the Quileutes celebration) Bella mentioned herself that she seemed to be the only one who really noticed Edward. (I'd give you the quote, but I don't have my book with me right now, but it went something along the lines of "No one else was aware of him as I was") So, if she was really the only one who cared about the Cullens, then she would be the only one really affected by their absence. No one else really realizes that they're gone.

2. There is more to the dream now. When Sam saved her in the forest back when Edward left, I really don't think she felt anything but indifference toward him. Now she's heard what Jake has said about him, her idea about him must have changed, even if it only changed a little.

3. Bella just wants to fit in and be normal now. She doesn't want to be separated from anyone else at the particular moment in time; for Charlie's sake at least. She wanted to be invisable last year because she didn't want to be noticed, now, it's almost the opposite.

4. Charlie seems so hesitant toward this new Bella, mostly because he's afraid that she may retreat into herself again and he's worried for her. I don't know how much he percieves this to be Jacob's doing. Charlie must know that Jacob plays a part, I just don't think he knows exactly how much.

5. I knew that if it was being mentioned again, there must be something significant to it. I had no idea what was going on, but whatever my speculations were, it was nowhere close to what the "bears" turned out to be.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

I think Bella is the only one who was affected by them leaving. The only ones who interacted with them really was Bella. At Forks HS the Cullens kept to themselves and everyone strayed away from them. So When they left it didn't feel so different for the other students because there really was no change for them. Bella's life of course changed when they left. It still saddens me when I think of it. Oh yeah, the Quileutes were more relieved now that they had gone.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

I think the dream is different now because the more she spends on the reservation, hearing about Sam and the others,the more the pieces are put together in her head even if she doesn't realize it. Her perception is mostly based on what Jacob tells her and in this point of the story it is still a little vague on why Sam is the way he is.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?

I think she wants it more now partly because of her dad and because she doesn't want days to lag. She knows how she has been acting and realizes that her dad is concerned and she doesn't want Charlie to have to take drastic measures to get her up and going. Then there is that part where she just wants the day to keep going so that she doesn't have much time to think about them. If she socializes more then she could be bothered with their lives and not have to deal so much with hers. I also thought that she didn't want to be invisible because part of her life was at school with the Cullens and being alone there would make it hurt more.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

I think it has affected him by being more protective of Bella. After Edward's departure Bella literally fell apart. I think that Charlie is uneasy because of the suddenness of Jacob's and Bella's relationship. If they had a falling out then she may just fall apart once again. I think to Charlie it was all Jacob's doing because he didn't know of Bella's ulterior motive with the motorcycles.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

When they mentioned the "Black bear" again, I knew that there was more to it. I knew what it was already I just had the feeling because of the story Jacob told in Twilight, how Sam found Bella in the woods, and there are other things that made me realize what it really was.

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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
bella and the people around that noticed a diffrence[charlie, renee, bella's friends]. and ofcource the werewolves were affected. with out the cullens there, the were wolves could go onto the forks area.
and i geuss the reason nothing has changeed is for the people that were not effected by the cullens presence when they were there so if they left, those people would not be effected.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
this dream was different that before because bella is hanging out with jacob and jacob is somewhat connected to sam. i think sam was in bella's dream that noght was a kind of 6th sense kind-of-thing. bella's subconscious is telling her that sam is something different, something more that a guy that is hanging around with kids younger than him and didn't go to college.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
ehhh...i'm not sure

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
charlie totally know's that jacob is making bella happy. charlie has been living with zombie bella for so long that seeing bella thaw out and become a person again has come as a complete relief. because charlie could do anythign for the zimbie bella and has found that jacob is the cure.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
i thought it was somthing, maybe even supernatural, i really didn't know what to think.
but i never EVER thought of werewolves...ever
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
Bella is, for the most part, the only one directly affected by the Cullens leaving, however, because of her emotional turmoil, other people are being affected: Charlie, Jacob, Jessica, Mike, etc. Though, they're all being affected in different ways. No one other than Bella really notices the major differences in the Cullens departure, because she was really the only one directly involved with the Cullens. To everyone else, it's simply that they left.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
Well, there are the obvious reasons as to how the dream differentiated from before, the main one being it's Sam instead of Jacob. Her dreams always seem to have someone in them who is at the time, a threat to her, but someone she will later find comfort in (Edward first, Jacob second, and then Sam). And, because of Jacob's wariness of Sam, she is instantly inclined to go along with what he says, since she trust Jacob and doesn't know much about Sam.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
Prying eyes annoyed her when she was with Edward, but now that she's without him, she somewhat misses that social contact while she's in school.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
Charlie's moods brighten, and he becomes happier, because he feels Bella is making a turn for the better, though, he still has his doubts about how genuine the 'New Bella' really is, and seems to be waiting for a relapse of some sort. I think he does see, somewhat, how much of the new Bella is thanks for Jacob, but maybe not the full extent, since he can't very well see that Bella's hypothetical 'hole' is closing in when she's with Jacob.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
At this point, yes, I realized the giant black bear was going to mean more than nothing. I didn't really have a clue as to what was going on, but I kind of figured it would have something to do with Sam. The amount of foreboding and foreshadowing around Sam hinted at that a great deal.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?

Bella isn't the only one who was effected. The Quileutes were pretty thrilled that they were gone. At school the Cullens kept to themselves so nothing changed for the rest of the school.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?

Probably different because she was spending a lot of time with Jacob talking about Sam and hearing about him.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?

She's getting better and she actually wants to interact with her friends now, but they're so used to her being a zombie, they've just given up.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?

Charlie's thrilled actually. He gets furious at Billy when he won't let her see Jacob and he's afraid she might go back into 'zombie mode' any second.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?

I still knew it was more then just a bear but I didn't know what.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
Well, Bella is the most affected by the Cullens absence. The rest of Forks are aware of their absence, but I don't think they thought highly of it. Maybe the obsessed girls at Forks high school though...

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
There is more to the dream. Also, Bella talks to Jacob more, and she hears more about Sam.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
She is kind of out of her depression, so she wants to be a bit more social, since the Cullens left.

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
I think he is affected by how much Bella has grown to be happy. He has someone to talk to sometimes. I think he does perceive how much Jacob is helping, because Bella was depressed before she starts hanging out with Jacob.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
I didn't think it would turn out to be werewolves or anything. When I read a book, I don't think about what will happen, I just think about what is happening.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
Bella is affected most because she knew them the most. Charlie was affected too because he grew to love Alice so much. The the Quilete (don't know how to spell that) were ecstatic because there enemies were gone. And girls at school are sad because their eye candy is gone.

2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
Of course being with Jake sparked the dream, but maybe just his presence, resembling Sam somewhat, was what brought forth the change in the dream.

3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
Being invisible would mean that she didn't exist. And if she didn't exist than everything she had with Edward never happened. Maybe I'm stretching a bit on that one...

4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
He believes it to be all of Jake's doing and he's fine with that. He's known him since he was little and knows just about everything about him and his family. So he's happy his little girl is being made happy by such a fine young gent.

5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
The mention definitely meant that it was important. It was about this time I started thinking it would be really cool if Stephenie pulled the werewolves from the legends into this story.
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1) Is Bella the only one affected by the Cullens leaving? How has 'nothing changed' in their absence?
Bella seems to be one of the only people, openly and directly affected by the Cullens. I think that Bella's action's and reactions affected the other people stilll in forks, Charlie, Jacob, Angela, Jessica, Mike, seemed to get the brunt of it. When "nothing changed" I think that was referring to the basis of Bella's life before Edward, of course the obvious hole, but it might seem that it hadn't changed.
2) Why is the dream different than before? Did Bella's renewed contact with Jacob's family change her perception of Sam Uley? How so and why?
The dream was affected by jacob, he helped her see a partial way out of the hole. I think Bella still has some suspicions about Sam, but she sometimes seems like a protecitive parent to jacob, so it is reasonable that her first impression of Sam might stick a little longer.
3) Why would Bella not want to be invisible now, when she wanted to be invisible last year?
She has just woken from her stupor perhaps she is just shocked at how withdrawn she was, and wanted to make it better, but it has to be hard when no one notices you.4) How is Charlie affected by this new Bella? Does he perceive how much of it is Jacob's doing?
Charlie seems to be crediting all of Bellas recovery to Jacob, I don't think that he fully grasped what was going on at that point in time, but i also believe that He knew that he couldn't understand, and just tried to help.
5) This is the second mention of the monstrous black bear. Did you realize at this point that there was more to it than that? What did you think was going on? Did you think it would turn into what it did?
I knew that there had to be an important reason for the bears, and I didn't think that they were bears, but I still hadn't quite figuted it out, although the thought of wolves had started to cultivate in my mind.
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