Chapter 24 : An Impasse

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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

It shows how much restraint and self control he uses to not attack her but I do think that it is now more difficult for him. Before that time as attracted as he was to her scent, he never tasted her blood and he could only theoretically know how it would taste and didn't truly know what he was missing. After having a taste of her, he knows exactly what he is missing.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

As much faith that is put into Alice's visions, he also knows that they change due to choices being made about the person or people in question. Since Bella being changed is an action that would have to performed by someone, it can easily changed. Especially if Alice saw that it was Edward who did it then he knows all he has to do is not act on that impulse and try to stop anyone else who does.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

He did not intend on leaving her but he likely did think that there may be a worse case scenerio situation that he may have to leave her but didn't want to really think about it. So he did say it to comfort her being mostly honest with her. It wouldn't be too comforting to Bella if he said something along the lines of "I will stay with you except for the 5% chance of one of my family members attacking you or I become just too dangerous for you."

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

I think that Edward was being the reasonable one in this situation by far. I still think he is more reasonable by asking her to wait later on. She would be leaving alot behind with her family and new friends. Her parents may not be on the watch for her 24-7 or anything but I'm sure if she decides to disappear all of a sudden, her parents will surely be concerned and will be heart-broken if they are lead to believe that she is dead or kidnapped. Most of the others (at least the ones changed by Carlisle) were on the verge of death when he decided to change them so it was not something that would impact their human connections that much.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
- his control is amazing. especially since he's so attracted to bella's blood. i think it will be a mix of both. since he's already tasted it, he may think that "nah, i've already had my share." but he can also think "wow, i gotta get me more of that!". so its still a toss up.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
-because of the stupid soul thing. like any girl wouldn't give her soul for edward cullen. :P

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
-i think he was just being honest for the moment, but he wasn't actually planning on leaving.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
-i wanted bella to become a vampire from the first time edward admitted he loved her. i know it will be hard to leave her family, but i imagine it's harder not to have edward and be part of his life. edward is not sensible, he's just chicken at this point, and being very moral for stupid reasons. :P
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Re: Chapter 24 : An Impasse

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No, I do not think that Edward had any conscious plans to leave Bella when he (sort of) told her that he wouldn't. I don't think that it was until Jasper attempted to "eat" (winces :( ) Bella that he fully grasped and rejected the possibilities of Bella's death by continuing their relationship :roll: . (Silly Edward :!: ) Edward loves Bella; he wants her to be safe. He also wants to be with her. It's the age-old choice between what is morally right and what is desired. (Edward will eventually see the light, as we all know. He knows he's not the only one who wants them to be together.) I think that he matured, emotionally, considerably between the time that he decided to stop ignoring Bella and the time that he decided to leave her. I think that two huge occurrences contributed to this maturity. The first is James. (Stupid, thieving, annoying vampire :!: :x ) Stupid James, his stupid hunt, his stupidly causing stupid (and I mean that in the most affectionate way) Bella's stupid near-death experience. Stupid, stupid, stupid :!: :x (Sorry. I really, really dislike James. :evil: ) The second is Bella's disastrous eighteenth birthday party. We all know, and will cringe upon remembering, THAT. (Cringes. See :?: ) These things both matured him and blinded him. He realized that it wasn't entirely safe (or rather, less safe than he thought) for Bella to be with him. He didn't realize how deep Bella was in with him. He didn't realize just how much Bella needed him. I guess he knew how much he needed her. But then again, if he had known that, he would have known that eventually he would have gone back and probably wouldn't have left in the first place. Silly Edward :!: :idea: Epiphany :!: Edward didn't realize how much he loved her! Aww, that's so sweet! :D :) :o :shock: 8) :lol: :P :oops: :roll: :wink:

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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

I think both. Since he was around her all the time. The intensity of her scent and him wanting to drink her blood was lowered. But then since she needed a transfusion, it wouldn't smell the same to him. He will always have a thirst for her but it won't be as intense as it was before they fell in love.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

I think it's simply because he doesn't think that he's a good enough reason for her to throw her life away. He always says that and makes her not so much aware of the process but gives her brief looks into the world of being a vampire and tries to scare her but since she is not expressing her fear he doesn't really know what to do.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I think that after everything that happened with her and James, he felt that it was his fault for bringing her into the field. And while the fight between Bella and James could have easily been planned out so that she didn't get hurt, Edward still goes and beats himself up over it.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

Um I think that he should let her do what she wants. While Bella is still young and hasn't experienced many things yet, Edward has not told her the full terrifying details of when you change. He does know more about it, but he seems to be a little too overprotective of her to let her make her own decisions. It would be nice for Bella to become a vampire because then she can live out her dream with Edward and the Cullens being her family. But on the other hand she will lose the life with Charlie and Renee.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

A: I don't think it changes anything except now he knows for certain how good it would be. Again it's about choice. He's firmly and utterly decided he doesn't have to and couldn't live with doing it. But he can still enjoy the smell because it's Bella, the girl he loves more than himself.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

A: Because when you don't want something it's easier to deny, to pick and choose what you'll accept. If it's what he wants to happen he'll believe Alice. If it isn't what he want's he'll cling to the flaws in her ability like a drowning man to a life preserver. As most people would.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

A: I don't think he had plans in that moment to actually do it ever but I do think the possibility came to mind, however fleetingly at the time. It was his constant struggle the very beginning. He wants so desperately to be with her but he wants her safe. If only he could find a way to do both, that's his dilemma.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

A: Definitely torn. I'm with Edward. You want them together forever but how would her changing affect everything? Tough call.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

I think Edward being able to only drink her blood long enough to suck the poison out shows an amazing amount of control over his thirst. When I first read it, I wasn't expecting him to be able to and it was a pleasant surprise that he could. I think drinking her blood made it a lot easier for him to resist her. Now he knows what it's like, and it wont be such a mystery to him anymore.



2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

I think he's so resistant to changing Bella because he doesn't want her to miss out on a normal, human life. He wants her to have everything that he can't, and I'm sure he doesn't want to be responsible for the pain she'd be in when she was changing (IF he or someone else changed her). I'm sure it would almost kill him to watch her go through that. Plus, what he said about thinking he doesn't have a soul and will go to hell, naturally he'd want her to go to heaven with her soul intact.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I don't think at this point he was planning to leave her. I'm sure he was thinking it was his fault what happened, and that he was more dangerous to her than ever...but I don't think he could tear himself away from her at that point. Jasper was straw that broke the camel's back in New Moon, or at least that's how I see it.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensible to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

At first, I was a little angry that Edward was so against changing her. I saw that they both loved each other, and I'm sure if you asked either one of them, they'd deny being able to live without each other. Then...I realised the small amount of time Bella really had to think about becoming a vampire. She couldn't be sure how she would handle it, what excuses she'd have to use to make her change look inconspicuous, etc...I think Edward was being very sensible and doing only what he felt was right at the time.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think that it shows that is control is very strong. That even though he lusts for it, he is able to control it. I think that drinking her blood made it harder for him to resist because now he has had a taste of it, knowing how good it is.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
Because he knows that people's actions can change Alice's vision, so if he keeps adamantly resisting it, maybe he can change the outcome. Maybe this also hints that it is not Edward who changes Bella.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I do think that he is trying to keep her calm, but I also think he is partly speaking the truth. We all know how much it would hurt the both of them if he left. I don't think that at this point he had plans to leave her.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I felt that Bella should become a vampire. It is a huge sacrifice for her to leave her family and her human life, but I think that it is inevitable for her. I think that Edward is more correct with his assessment of the situation and that Bella should live as many human experiences as she could. There is no way to get those experiences back once you're changed.

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1. It shows that he's determined to not harm Bella and that he's very strong. I'm not sure how drinking her blood affected his control. On the one hand, it shows him just exactly how good it tastes. On the other, it proves to himself that he can resist.

2. He's so dead set on not letting Bella lose her soul that he is desperately trying to change the outcome. But I think its interesting how if Alice (and Edward) saw Bella as a vampire, wouldnt they know what her power would be? Hmm...

3. He was mostly trying to calm her. But also he was trying to convince himself not to leave, because he wants to be with her so badly, even though he knows he can't. But it did seem that he probably did intend on leaving her one day.

4. Uh, I don't think he should have changed her right away because she wouldn't be able to say goodbye to anybody and she would miss graduation and everything. But I do want them to be able to live together forever, and have both of them happy.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

I think now Its more difficult for him, now thats he's tasted her blood. But it just shows how much self control he has.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

Because he doesn't want to damn her for the rest of her life. He wants her to have a normal life.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I don't think he intended to leave her. In NM I think that things just got out of control and thats why he left.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

I think he was just looking out for her. I didn't think Bella should have been changed into a vampire.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

I believe it shows Edward has great control over his thirst, he even said that it was impossible to stop but somehow he did. His love for Bella overpowers his thirst for her blood in this case. I think drinking her blood will make it harder for him to resist but he still won't try unless it's another life or death (well vampire changing) situation.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

Because what Alice sees isn't always what happens, it only shows when someone makes a decision but when the decision changes then so does their whole future. Edward is hoping to change Bella's decision-which in then shift her whole future.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I do think he was trying to calm her down, her heartrate was going crazyy then. I believe Edward did have plans to leave her one day because he felt that being with her was hurting her. I don't know if he knew exactly when he was going to leave but he knew in the future he was going too.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

At that point, I agreed whole-heartedly with Edward. I didn't think she should leave her family and friends at that point in her life-she had just "fallen down the stairs" and hurt herself badly. Also she needed to patch things up with her father too. I felt it was too early for the change to happen but I had a gut-feeling it would probably happen later in the series.
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