Chapter 24 : An Impasse

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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
He loves her more then he wants her blood.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
He still wants to hold on to the thought of her not being a vampire.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think it was to calm her at that time, but i think he knew deep down that he might actually leave her if he thinks it is the right thing to do.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I thought she should stay human for a while longer.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think it says that he loves her much more then he thirsts for her blood.. and that it made it a little easier for him.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
b/c he doesn't want to believe it's going to happen, b/c her visions do change.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think deep down he knew that something might happen eventually(like in new moon) where it came down to hurting Bella and leaving so he didn't want to make promises he might not keep.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
My first reaction was 'CHANGE HER DAMN IT!!!' I wanted Edward to change her soooooo bad but it wasn't until later that I realized what she'd be giving up.
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1. Tasting Bella's blood obviously makes it much harder for Edward, but the fact that he was able to stop himself shows that his relentless love for Bella ultimately does outweigh his desire for her blood.

2. He doesn't want to damn Bella, to take away her soul, curse her to eternal uncertainty, and bestow upon her the desire for nothing more than blood.

3. I think Edward was truly destroyed by the trouble of what he is has brought for Bella. Edward tells Jacob later that he would have always been waiting. Edward only intended to leave long enough for Bella to get over him. He intended to watch over her from the shadows for the rest of her life. *Ridiculously romantic*

4. I knew Edward wouldn't change her-at least not right away. I later on thought about how she should wait, at least for a bit. Honestly though, my gut reaction-I was "in" Bella mode-was that I wanted him to change her soon! I'm glad he didn't though; she wasn't ready and she needed more time.

Edwards Cantante wrote:Does anyone think that maybe it is possible that once Bella is changed into a vampire she wont be as desirable/irresistable to Edward because she will loose her scent? He loves her exactly how she is, but will he love her any less once her blood is gone? :?:
I've thought about that a LOT! I came to the conclusion that Edward's love for Bella is so unconditional that it would be impossible. Maybe halfway through Twilight I would say absolutely. Edward says that changes are rare for vampires, but when they occur, they are permanent. Edward loves Bella; the blushing, flashes of intuition, recklessness, and I even think (POST Twilight) her scent are simply the icing on the cake---her scent being that savory first bite (no pun intended) of course.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think he'll always thirst for it, but he has very very good control because he has to. I think it just proved how much he loves her and made it easier for him to resist since he knows that he'll never be able to hurt her.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
I think he wants to prolong her human life as long as possible and give her the chances he never had. He knows that it changes depending on people's decisions, so maybe he's hoping that she'll change her mind.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think he did it just to make her feel better, but I also think that he meant it to some degree because I don't think he could leave her alone forever, he would NEED to make sure she's okay and happy. I think after this whole situation he wanted to leave asap but didn't want to admit it.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I did want them to be together, I still do. But Edward did make a very good argument. I thought it was foolish thing to want in such a small amount of time to make a huge decision like that.

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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think in some ways, it made it harder for him now that he knows what her blood tastes like. At the same time, I think its easier, because he knows that he was able to stop and was strong enough to control himself.
2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
I think that he's just going to fight fate as long as he can so Bella won't have to become a vampire. He thinks that he can prevent it happening, even though Alice has seen it in a vision.
3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think at this point, the gears were starting to turn in his head. He knows that he loves her and wants to stay with her, but at the same time, he thinks it will be better for her if he leaves, so he's starting to think about it.
4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
At this point, I thought that he should change her, but that she should have a little more time to be with her family. I was thinking until she finished high school, which I still think is a good time. I mean, that might look fishy, if she just left in the middle of high school.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
-I think it has made it easier. I think when the body wants something that badly it lies to your brain and says "If I just have that, I'll never hunger again, everything will be wonderful." You basically think that something wonderful will happen if you receive that substance. That's how it differs from his whole Heroine analogy. When a heroin addict wants to use, their body is saying "I'll feel better with it, it will be fun, all my problems will disappear." When they get the heroine it is true, if only for a little while. When Edward "fed" from her, though that description is not entirely accurate, there was no real change in the way he felt. Therefore his body realized that her blood was more like chocolate, (no affiliation intended) in that, it was good but it didn't really better his situation.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
-LOL, best answer I can think of: He does believe in fairies, he does, he does. We all know the reason for this by now, he just really wants to believe he can spare her, but I think even Edward realizes that he's resisting the inevitable.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
-No and No. I think he really thought that he couldn't leave her. He thought the worst had passed, he was wrong, he's only human after all :wink: . I think at that point he really did plan to just stick by her until the end of her life.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensible to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
-Wow, tough. At that juncture in my life my father had just passed, and all I could really think was that she and Edward needed a few DAYS to go through EVERYTHING that would happen, that COULD make her regret her decision. Having someone so close to you "waiting" has a major effect on how you view mortality. I've never been so eager for death as I was when my Dad died. I believe that they still need that talk to make sure she's considered everything and put him at ease, well, as at ease as Edward can be about that particular topic.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think it's a little bit of both, I think it could be easier because he know how it tastes and he knows how to resist it but I think tasting could have also tattooed it into his psyche. The fact that he doesn't like the smell of the transfusion tells me that he is used to her smell that it has become another bond between them, so to miss the smell of her blood becomes like missing the sound of her voice.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
I think it all plays into the fact that he doesn't want to kill her, because although she is immortal her heart will not be beating and she will essentially have died.
I think this scares him, he has become so attuned to her as a living being that the thought of not seeing her reactions like her heart skipping a beat and her face flushing feels final to him.
Even is she was to become a vampire you know he would love her for eternity but I think he's worried that she could, in the future resent him for changing her. I think he's worried that she may have the same reaction as Rosalie (Chapter 15).

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I don't think he was planning on leaving her, I think he loves her too much, but the incident at the party probably scared him into forcing himself to do it.
I don't think he would have ever left her if he knew what was in her mind, how much she truly needed him. I think it was impulsive. I still think he did the right thing in not promising her though because I think subconsciously he knew that someday something like that could happen and he would have to decide how to deal with it when the time comes.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensible to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I knew I wanted Bella to become a vampire, I wasn't sure if I was ready for that at the end of Twilight but I knew that somewhere in the future I would want it to happen. I was shocked how many people thought he did change her due to the last sentence in the book. I have to be honest, I was never inclined to think that, Edward had been so adamant up to that point I didn't see why he would change his mind so quickly on a whim, or why he would do it outside of the school!
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think it makes it easier for him. He had his "taste" and he since he's done it once, he doesn't have to worry about thirsting for her blood or wondering how she might taste again.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
He probably knows, no matter how much it hurts him, that Bella will most likely become a vampire one day. But he's just trying to give her as much time with her mortal life as possible. When it's time for her to be changed, he'll probably be hesitant, but since Alice has seen it, I think it's bound to happen sooner or later.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think, at that point, he was trying to calm her down. But, sad to say, I think he was thinking about leaving her, even if just a little bit. I know this is way ahead of time, but in Eclipse, when Edward and Jacob were talking, Edward had told Jacob that from the second that he realized he loved her, he knew that there were only four possibilities, one of them being leaving her. And since we know that Edward fell in love with Bella in Twilight, he was probably thinking about it even before the incident with James.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
Since I'm answering honestly, and not thinking at all about the fact that I want Edward and Bella to be together forever, I think Edward was being sensible. I can understand where Bella was coming from, but he couldn't have changed her so soon. She didn't really have a plan, or know what she was going to do if he did decide to do it.

Well...that's my two cents on that chapter. Boy, I do hope I made sense...:D
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

It says Edward has almost perfect control over his thirst because he loves her so much. He stopped himself because he almost lost her and he couldn't bear the thought of losing her again, especially if were due to his lack of control. He loves her and her smell, it's probably a big part of the attraction he feels toward her. He needs her to smell like Bella. I think he shouldn't have a problem with resisting her, he already proved he could stop. He said the taste was better than he could have imagined, but he realized losing her would be worse than anything in the world.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

He is resistant because he knows Alice's visions aren't set in stone. If the decision was changed, then that would affect what Alice sees. I'm sure it's not Edward Alice sees changing her at this point in the story, so Edward feels he can affect the outcome of the decision.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I do think he was trying to keep Bella calm, but also convince himself. He is so worried about her safety, especially after what has just happened, that he would do anything to protect her. I think he did have plans to leave her, as hard as it would be for both of them, he would do it because he loved her. In his mind, if that's what it takes to keep her safe, it must be done.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensible to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

I was also torn between them. I think Edward was right to let her be human for a while longer. She is very young, she needs to experience more out of life first. Edward is already feeling guilty for getting involved with her and putting her life in danger so many times. He needs time just as much as she does. I don't think Bella was ready at the end of Twilight to give up everything yet. She knows she is scared and has doubts, but she's putting on a brave face for Edward. She's so afraid to lose him, she's willing to do whatever she has to to keep him.

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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think it might make it harder, but it doesn't change much at this point in comparison to him thinking that he was going to lose her. That was probably much more powerful than the added bloodlust when he tasted her blood.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
I think that he knows that it's a possibility, and a likely one, but he's fighting against it. He knows that Alice's visions aren't set in stone and he wants to take any chance he can to change it. He probably knows it will probably happen, but that doesn't stop him from fighting.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I don't think he had plans to leave her at this point. I think that the possibility would be to agonizing for him to consider. He thought that it would be better for her, but he wouldn't want to think about it. I don't think he does until the night after her birthday, after Jasper attacks her (I think that that was the catalyst in his decision), when he's watching her sleep. I think that's when he makes the choice.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
There was no rational thought in my initial thoughts: I wanted him to change her then and there. Now that I've had some time to think about it, I still want him to change her. Not at the prom - that would've been irresponsible. But after she's had time to prepare, to cut ties with the humans in her life. After Eclipse, we know that she's thought long and hard about what she'll lose and still wants it. I agree. The only thing that she can't live without is Edward. And she wants to be with him forever. And the thought of him dying when she does is unbearable to her. So, in my opinion, she should be changed.
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