Chapter 24 : An Impasse

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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?


Hm. I think it might've made it a bit harder for him, but his love for Bella definitely overpowers his thirst for her. Why would Edward go through all the trouble of saving her from James only to devour and kill her himself? Senseless.


2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?


Poor Edward is suffering denial. But don't worry, he'll get over it as soon as Bella becomes a vampire. Which she will, eventually. Because Alice is always right (except when she's wrong...and then it's a disaster!).


3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?


Yes, Edward said this to calm Bella down. Right then, he probably didn't have any plans for leaving, but why burn his bridges and back himself into a corner? Edward didn't want Bella to panic, but he didn't want to get caught in a promise he couldn't keep, if he'd have to eventually leave Bella for her own good.


4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?


-grumbles- I really wanted Edward to change her right then! "Do it now!" I thought stubbornly as I read the end of the book. I wanted Edward and Bella to live happily ever after together forever! But now, I realize it's a hard decision - Edward did the right thing, making her wait.
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Alphie wrote:1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?


1.) I say he still doesn't have complete control over himself than we would like to think, though I do think that since he has now tasted her blood it makes it easier for him to be around her.

2.) I think Edward still hopes that Bella will get the chance at a full life that which he never did. This just show how much he loves her and understands what he is missing in being human, but a part me still thinks that he is being to stubborn.

3.) No, I think he truly meant his words. He has never been fully happy until he met Bella, and he tells Bella time and time again that he is a selfish creature. I also don't believe he was actually making plans to leaver either, but he always knew it was a possibility and an option.

4.) I was also very torn at this point as well. On the one hand I felt it would be only fair to their relationship if Bella were to be a vampire, and I think I was more sold when Bella said that couples should be equal in their relationships and not a "Lois and Clark". However, on the other hand I could to relate to Edward and his desire for Bella to have a normal life as possible and to live as a person should, and I also thought of Charlie and Renee, and how Edward had been changed when his parents were already dead. What's a girl to do?
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think he has learned to control his thirst better than he dreamed he ever could. I think drinking Bella's blood made it both easier and harder for him to resist. Easier because he knows he can stop but harder because he has tasted whathe can never have again.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
I think he wants Bella to spend eternity with him, but he also knows she has family and friends that would miss her. He also loves her "humanness" and when he changes her he would lose those things he loves about her, like her blushing.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think he was saying it at that point to keep Bella calm, but I don't think he was planning to leave her at that point. There was no way he could have known what would happen at her birthday party, which is what I see as the thing that pushed him over the edge.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I thought Edward was right ot not change her. As much as I want him to now, I initailly thought he should leave her as she is, at least for the time being... Now however, I think he should change her immediately! :lol:
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I think it makes it harder for him because the memory of the taste will be imprinted in his mind. I think this is part of the reason for what happens in New Moon, because it is to much temptation, and he doesnt want to hurt Bella. (but he does anyways)

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
Carlisle explains this, i believe, that Edward belives to be a vampire there is no chance of heaven. (Unlike Carlisle's belief). it is almost humorous that earlier in the book he said he wouldnt bet against Alice, and thats exactly what he's doing now.
3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I think that as soon as he tasted her blood ne knew he had to leave because of the fact he said he couldnt stop. I do believe he said this just to tide her over.
4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I've given a lot of thought about this. I mean what if Bella was changed? She wouldnt age, what would her parents think? They would deffinatly notice. Bella could just never see her family again so they didnt notice, but Bella would NEVER do that.On the other hand, If Bella was unchanged, then it would be awkward for her when she was 40 and Edward being 17. I still dont know what i would really like to happen. I think that Bella needs to become a vampire soon if she really wants to stay with Edward forever.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I would think it would be harder for him at first, but then less so as he forgets the taste.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
I've thought about Edward's reasons a lot and the only thing I can come up with is that he doesn't want to take away Bella's humanity. Or that he also doesn't want to turn her into a 'monster' as he calls it, because from all of Stephenie's correspondence, Bella's first months as a vampire are going to be very difficult.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
Edward said he would stay with Bella as long as it was safe for her. Once Bella's in a position of danger from him, others of his kind, or from anything that he had caused, he'd be gone. So, yes, I believe he'd leave so she could stay alive.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
I was saddened by the conversation because there doesn't seem to be a nice pat answer to it. I agree with Bella, that she's going to die someday and they'll never be equal if she doesn't become a vampire. But I also can see Edward's side, too.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

Well, at least he knows for sure now that he actually can resist her blood. It's no longer hypothetical, he knows he can do it if he has to.
His self-control seems to be pretty good. Or maybe it is not his self-control but his love for Bella. I still think it might be even harder for him now that he knows that Bella tastes even better that she smells.


2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

Well, first of all, as we all know, Alice's visions change when people change their mind. The future is never 100 % sure. So maybe Edward thinks that there is still hope for Bella to stay human. He doesn't want to change her because he still hopes that there is some other way.


3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? Do you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I don't think he had plans to leave her at this point even though he knew that it was a possibility. In that moment, he mostly tries to calm Bella down, he doesn't want to upset her more and therefore tells her that he won't go away, even though e doesn't promise anything.


4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensible to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

When reading Twilight for the first time, I couldn't think of any way for Bella and Edward to stay together if Bella stays human. That would not work, in my opinion. On the other hand, I understood Edward who wants Bella to stay human as long as possible. In that moment, he was definitely more sensible than Bella. Changing her immediately wasn't a good idea so I am glad he refused. I still hope that he will accept the fact that Bella has to become a vampire sooner or later. Maybe he is wrong thinking that being human is better than anything he can give Bella. I really can't see why mortality and being human should be so much better for Bella.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
I would say it makes it harder, but it's obvious that he has a lot more control than he thought and he really loves Bella enough to stop even when the monster inside him wants him to keep going. Aw how sweet :)

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
He knows that her visions are based on the paths people take, so her vision of Bella as a vampire means that someone has made the decision to change her, and he will just have to change whoevers mind it is who decided it. He will go to any length to keep Bella human

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
I don't think he was making plans to leave, but he knew that leaving her as a human, he would have to do it eventually. Even after he did leave her, he was an empty shell and ended up trying to kill himself (or rather, have himself killed) when he thought she was dead. so it may not have been impossible for him to leave, but it wasn't an outright lie. It was impossible for him to go on living without her.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensible to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
The first time I read Twilight, I thought "what is he waiting for?!" I just wanted Bella to be changed, but I didn't think about the consequences. Now that I've read it several times along with New Moon and really thought about it, I see the problems with changing her, but I still want her to be changed, there is a way to get around the problems. As for damning her soul and ending her human life, it's what she wants and I believe what Carlisle believes about their souls anyways so I'm not exactly worried about that. Bella and Edward are meant to be with each other and he can either change her and deal with the issues it brings up, or he can leave her human, but I think in their situation, the first idea is better. A human with a vampire seems to almost be against nature, but they're in love, and they should be equal, at least that's my opinion.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
No, I think that now he knows how it tastes, he knows that he can wait for hwen the time is right for him to bite her. He knows that her blood is specific to it's own, and with the transfusion, he knows that he was lucky when she was bitten (as much as that sounds horrible) and that it will be enough for now, because he knows how dangerous it had been.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
Alice's vision doesn't say when. He feels there is no need to rush, as it's the absolute truth- it WILL happen, doesn't matter if it was right then or in the near future. He can't escape it, so hefigures that the best he can do is wait.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
He never really truly "left" her..they never were apart, there was no offical "breakup" (although Bella wouldn't use that term, because she doesn't even like calling him her boyfriend) and he knew that he wasn't telling the truth about never coming back. So, he said he could never try to leave her...permanently. He had the plan to, I think, just to make her realize that it isn't as safe as it feels.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
Edward makes sense in his reasoning, and I do think Bella should definitely wait. But not so long that she has too many more human years over him...my first inital reaction though, was that she should definitely, 100% be changed. I've never changed that opinion...Bella as a vampire is necessary. Absolutely necessary.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?
i think that his feelings for her increased after he sucked her blood, and he felt such an overwhelming feeling of love towards her that he finally did stop drinking her blood. i think in some ways drinking her blood made it harder, but edward would never admit that.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?
i think that since he's been with bella he realized that the future CAN change and alice isn't always right. he has probably noticed a few times that the future changed with alice because of bella being bella. edward believes that since he loves her so much and refuses to change her, that somehow it will be a reality that bella won't turn into a vampire as long as he tries.

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?
i think that yes he said it as a way to calm bella down. and i dont think he ever had an intention to leave bella, but if it ever came to that he would HAVE to leave her for her own good, he would.

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?
i really thought that edward should have just let the venom get to her and for them to be together forever as vampires. of course that was my FIRST reaction.
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1. Given everything we learn from Edward about the fact that he was able to stop from drinking Bella's blood, but that he didn't like how she smelled when she had a transfusion, what does that say about his control over the way he thirsts for her blood? Do you think drinking her blood makes it easier or harder for him to resist now?

I think it will probably make it harder for him now because since he has gotten a taste of her blood, even though he can control himself, he still knows what it tastes like.

2. Edward admits that Alice has seen Bella as a vampire. Why do you suppose, since he of all people knows it's crazy to deny Alice's visions, that he is so resistant to giving in and changing Bella?

Even though Alice has predicted that it'll happen, he will still try to either prolongue it as much as possible so Bella would have as much life as possible and he is stubborn...

3. Bella begs Edward to never leave her. Although he never exactly promises NOT to leave her, he does say it would be impossible for him to even try. Knowing what we know about New Moon, do you think he was saying this as a way to tide Bella over and keep her calm for now? DO you think he had plans even at this point in the story to one day leave her?

I do not think when he stated that, he had any plans to leave her then, but they developed later on...

4. Bella and Edward argue about her becoming a vampire, to which he point blank says that he will never do that to her. When I first finished reading Twilight, I was very torn over whether or not Bella should become a vampire. How did you feel at this point? Try to ignore all the discussions you've had here at the lex and focus on your first initial reaction. Did you think Bella should be changed right away and leave her family and life behind, or did you think Edward was being sensable to tell her that her mortality was important and more natural than anything he could give her?

As much as I would really want Bella to turn into a vampire...If I was Edward in that situation I wouldn't want to kill my girlfriend like that...Though not as soon as possible, I do believe that it will happen eventually...
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